This guy is clueless, as far as SW. The "problems" he sees in the movie (here and in other interviews) were none of the things that made it bad. It's like he totally doesn't get why people didn't like it.
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Master Boda
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His kind never does.
I think RJ does get some of the problems in the broad sense. He just didn't proceed to deliver a good set of solutions.
His movie was tonally 'off', or at least some of the tones were placed badly. That is one of the most intangible & difficult things to grapple with as an artist.
Consider this: Producers & studios typically don't even attempt to coax a filmmaker into changing their tone much. They deal with most tonal mismatches by switching filmmakers, even if it means switching away from a very skilled person.
There is a saying in the screenwriting world - "Trust the audience to tell you what's wrong. Don't trust them to tell you how to fix it." IMO this kinda sums up Rian Johnson's relationship with SW.
His movie was tonally 'off', or at least some of the tones were placed badly. That is one of the most intangible & difficult things to grapple with as an artist.
Consider this: Producers & studios typically don't even attempt to coax a filmmaker into changing their tone much. They deal with most tonal mismatches by switching filmmakers, even if it means switching away from a very skilled person.
There is a saying in the screenwriting world - "Trust the audience to tell you what's wrong. Don't trust them to tell you how to fix it." IMO this kinda sums up Rian Johnson's relationship with SW.
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Perfect summation of the problem. RJ was way too outside the box here. Mark Hamill has said that this was not HIS Luke Skywalker character, so it had to be some other version of Luke ... so Hamill thought of him as Jake Skywalker.
Although it's been hashed to death already, RJ doesn't acknowledge the glaring plot issues and failures in storytelling.
1) One First Order ship chasing the ragtag Resistance fleet, waiting for them to expend their fuel? Why not call in MULTIPLE Star Destroyers at that point? To approach from different vectors, and box in the Resistance.
2) And when the rebels are hold up in their old base on Crait... Kylo decides to attack with a frontal ground assault. Again, just call in MORE SUPPORT and level the mountain base from the air. And BY THE WAY, could not the First Order see that the resistance remnant was headed toward Crait??!! They weren't that far behind.
3) Holdo as a character was... irrelevant. Ackbar could have done EVERYTHING Holdo did, and it would have made for a better end to his life, to sacrifice himself for the good of the Resistance. Nope, RJ decided to blow him out into space .
5) Poe sets up an secret mission to Canto Bight to find an imperial code cracker. Why would you hide this plan from Holdo? She may have well gone along with it.
6) On Ahch-To, Yoda appears to Luke. And the scene/dialogue makes it sound like this is the FIRST TIME Luke and Yoda have connected in decades, since the end of ROTJ on Endor. Really? That never would have happened before, especially when Luke knew it was possible?
7) On Crait, Luke holds off Kylo Ren long enough for the Resistance to follow the crystal foxes and escape out of hidden passageways in the mountain base. Kylo had walkers and a shuttle on the ground just outside the base, and a Star Destroyer in orbit. How far could the resistance survivors have made it, ON FOOT, to escape the First Order? A mile, maybe two? Certainly not far enough to be out of reach yet.
8) And then the survivors hop into the Falcon, which takes them to hyperspace safety. But the orbiting Star Destroyer would have seen the Falcon leave the planet, and we already know the First Order can track them through hyperspace (which was later expounded upon in ROS). So why not chase the Falcon here?
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All of that. ^
And at the same time, there were elements I liked -- or almost liked, had they been executed slightly differently. There was a lot of potential in all of the ST. If there's one thing I hate more than anything else in a fictional creative work, it's un-lived-up-to potential.
And at the same time, there were elements I liked -- or almost liked, had they been executed slightly differently. There was a lot of potential in all of the ST. If there's one thing I hate more than anything else in a fictional creative work, it's un-lived-up-to potential.
Joek3rr
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Happy New Years!
My first question of the year.
Mid 2000s Hasbro cardbacks and inserts would often use images of Vader, that frankly looked dorky and weren't from the film. But where did these come from?
This is the first one. His helmet seems a tad too small? Or at least the back of it.
Next up, is this a Vader that has bright silver chain for the cloak. Never seen that anywhere else. But it looks kinda like the chest piece is similar to the ROTJ version, with the little chain hook.
My first question of the year.
Mid 2000s Hasbro cardbacks and inserts would often use images of Vader, that frankly looked dorky and weren't from the film. But where did these come from?
This is the first one. His helmet seems a tad too small? Or at least the back of it.
Next up, is this a Vader that has bright silver chain for the cloak. Never seen that anywhere else. But it looks kinda like the chest piece is similar to the ROTJ version, with the little chain hook.
The first photo, he's holding the stunt ROTJ saber (?Barbicon here?)
And the helmet really looks shopped onto the body, mainly at (our) right edge where the neck meets the cape/chest piece.
Joek3rr
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It looks like he is.
It's possible. Though there is another image on a different figure that uses the same Vader.
You know I was going to post this yesterday lol
Rian Johnson Wanted to Give ‘The Last Jedi’ a ‘Hell of an Ending:’ ‘That’s What Makes a Movie a Movie’
Rian Johnson said he wanted to give "The Last Jedi" a strong ending despite being the middle film of a trilogy.www.indiewire.com
CT1138
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I think it's cool how we see a difference in how the clones shoot between the beginning of the war and the end of it. During the First Battle of Geonosis, the a lot of troopers were shooting with a poor stance and poor grip on their rifles, practically shooting from the hip. In RotS, we see them shooting with a proper T-stance and the butt of the rifle against their shoulders.
Then again, this is also what you get when you have actual Marines providing your mo-cap work.
But in the narrative, it also showed that the Clones had to relearn how to shoot their weapons because the Kaminoans didn't know enough about human anatomy or rifleman training to teach them correctly. So any survivors of that entire first batch of 200,000 probably had to get retrained.
Then again, this is also what you get when you have actual Marines providing your mo-cap work.
Joek3rr
Master Member
To be honest. I think they were just trying to mimic how the Stormtroopers shoot. Which is from the hip. And in both continuities the clones were trained by mercenaries. So they would have had proper combat and weapons training.
CT1138
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I didn't think they brought the mercenaries in until later?
Also, the Stormtroopers use carbine rifles, not full sized battle rifles, which are larger and heavier. You still saw the Clones shooting their carbines like Stormies even later in the war.
Edit: Forgot the Death Troopers use the E-11D, the rifle version of the E-11, as well as the standard Imperial battle rifle, the DLT-19, and they fire both rifleman stance too.
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I feel like much of First Geonosis, the DC-15A's were being treated like SAWs, providing covering fire and not necessarily aiming for specific targets. Seemed to be the same "fire for effect" as when they boarded the Tantive IV -- you know you have no friendlies downrange, so brace against the hip and hose. Aboard the Death Star, when the Stormtroopers were trying to pick Luke and Leia off the bridge ledge, you saw some actual aiming going on, even though there wasn't enough room to get a proper stance.
I feel like, if presented well, one of the most ominous things a clone/Stormtrooper can do is go from holding their blaster at hip-height, loosely pointed in your direction, to a deliberate aiming stance. It'd be like watching a targeting reticle shrink to lock onto a specific target -- and you're it. The closest we got, I think, was when that 501st clone, above, warned Bail off.
I feel like, if presented well, one of the most ominous things a clone/Stormtrooper can do is go from holding their blaster at hip-height, loosely pointed in your direction, to a deliberate aiming stance. It'd be like watching a targeting reticle shrink to lock onto a specific target -- and you're it. The closest we got, I think, was when that 501st clone, above, warned Bail off.
Joek3rr
Master Member
I don't know about the current continuity. But in the EU they were trained from the beginning by mercs.
We see the Sandtroopers in the docking bay shootout use their long guns from the hip. But generally, I think we long guns being shot from the shoulder. The exception being AOTC.
Bigdaddy
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Where's Breckin Meyer?
I don't think it was poor marksmanship at all. They are in smoke so they're using their helmet imaging systems to target through the smoke. Their rifles are slaved to their helmet sighting so there's no need to shoulder the rifle.
I forgot about his 2 seconds of screen timeWhere's Breckin Meyer?
ghostryder
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