Master Boda
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IIRC the 80’s He-Man had one or two repaints and G.I. Joe had a few as well.Even some of the old Star Wars figures from the 80’s were repainted outside of the USA.
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Riceball
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I watched a video recently where someone was going over their Batman toy collection and there were a fair number of repaints in the collection. And I once had a Spawn figure that was painted in all gold.
Oh, yeah. Repaints have always been a thing. Most are benign. Only a few have been problematic. Due to my focus, all the ones I can point to are Star Wars-related:
• Gentle Giant's "Magma Trooper" statue (told that's what the red Stormtrooper was by 501sties in said costumes at a convention, did the repaint as a collectors' club exclusive, 501st used it as support for the Magma Trooper being a red Stormtrooper.)
• Hasbro's Mandalorian 2-pack with comic that had "Tobbi Dala" and "Fenn Shysa" (the Fenn was egregious, but both were repaints based on the splash panel from MSW #68 that I posted above -- solid green with white cheeks and bad deco.)
• Black Series "Gaming Greats" Gamestop-exclusive Force Unleashed Senate Guard (which is just a blue repaint of the Black Series Crimson Empire Kir Kanos figure -- the armor is very distinctive -- packaged with a Shadow Guard saber pike -- which the Senate Guards and Royal Guards in the game do not carry. It's bad. The box art shows the TFU version, so you can see between the box and the figure that the armor's wrong.)
I'm just worried someone will try to use this new Boba repaint to justify perpetuating Marvel's bad coloring with a Tobbi or Fenn costume. I have not seen a film-accurate one yet, and all of the Fenn costumes I've seen are tragically inaccurate even to the parts. They'll get the forehead detailing on the helmet right, and then the rest is nonsense. I've seen people in decision-making positions in the 501st (and, to a lesser extent, the other clubs) get a notion into their head(s) that something is a particular way, and it becomes impossible to dislodge. There was exactly one instance of red Stormtroopers in the EU prior to the sale to Disney (I won't speak to after -- it's become harder to stay invested in the newer ancillary material). That was an early-'90s issue of Topps' "Star Wars Galaxy" magazine. A three-page short story focused on Lumiya, who has a couple squads of Royal Guards in red Stormtrooper battle armor, specifically called out as such in the story and the RPG notes in the sidebar.
Meanwhile, Magma Troopers were never shown or described anywhere. Their only mention was in a text box in the Visual Dictionary that spoke of other types of specialized kit Stormtroopers had beyond the ones shown on those pages. One type mentioned were Magma Troopers. No description or image. But art from the Lumiya story was scanned and online since the early internet, without context. You can still find it. Two red Stormtroopers making their way through some smoke and flames, SE-14R's drawn and at the ready. Seems pretty "Magma Trooper-y". So, when the 501st command council sat down to nail down some new costume definitions people were asking about, the Magma Trooper got defined as "red stormtrooper". A couple lines above that was the equally erroneous "Storm Commando: Black Biker Scout".
That was 2002, and I've been fighting both since. People in the club who did "Magma Trooper" costumes added orange Sandtrooper shoulder pauldrons and carry E-11s. That's what the people who the Gentle Giant reps talked to had as part of their costumes. So that's what Gentle Giant put on their statue. The one image in the entirety of the EU that shows red Stormtroopers has neither. Here's the original, uncropped:
You can see how people might misinterpret those Stormtroopers if they were isolated from their surrounding context... When I laid all this out over on the Spec Ops Detachment board, the response from Detachment leadership was, "Well... we'll wait and see what other information is out there". There. Is. Nothing. More. Their justification for the Magma Trooper was circular and self-referential. So whenever I see something that playfully carries forward an error on purpose, I worry that, as before, the irony will be lost on some and they will treat that figure as a supplemental reference for the Marvel Comics coloration of Boba and the others.
• Gentle Giant's "Magma Trooper" statue (told that's what the red Stormtrooper was by 501sties in said costumes at a convention, did the repaint as a collectors' club exclusive, 501st used it as support for the Magma Trooper being a red Stormtrooper.)
• Hasbro's Mandalorian 2-pack with comic that had "Tobbi Dala" and "Fenn Shysa" (the Fenn was egregious, but both were repaints based on the splash panel from MSW #68 that I posted above -- solid green with white cheeks and bad deco.)
• Black Series "Gaming Greats" Gamestop-exclusive Force Unleashed Senate Guard (which is just a blue repaint of the Black Series Crimson Empire Kir Kanos figure -- the armor is very distinctive -- packaged with a Shadow Guard saber pike -- which the Senate Guards and Royal Guards in the game do not carry. It's bad. The box art shows the TFU version, so you can see between the box and the figure that the armor's wrong.)
I'm just worried someone will try to use this new Boba repaint to justify perpetuating Marvel's bad coloring with a Tobbi or Fenn costume. I have not seen a film-accurate one yet, and all of the Fenn costumes I've seen are tragically inaccurate even to the parts. They'll get the forehead detailing on the helmet right, and then the rest is nonsense. I've seen people in decision-making positions in the 501st (and, to a lesser extent, the other clubs) get a notion into their head(s) that something is a particular way, and it becomes impossible to dislodge. There was exactly one instance of red Stormtroopers in the EU prior to the sale to Disney (I won't speak to after -- it's become harder to stay invested in the newer ancillary material). That was an early-'90s issue of Topps' "Star Wars Galaxy" magazine. A three-page short story focused on Lumiya, who has a couple squads of Royal Guards in red Stormtrooper battle armor, specifically called out as such in the story and the RPG notes in the sidebar.
Meanwhile, Magma Troopers were never shown or described anywhere. Their only mention was in a text box in the Visual Dictionary that spoke of other types of specialized kit Stormtroopers had beyond the ones shown on those pages. One type mentioned were Magma Troopers. No description or image. But art from the Lumiya story was scanned and online since the early internet, without context. You can still find it. Two red Stormtroopers making their way through some smoke and flames, SE-14R's drawn and at the ready. Seems pretty "Magma Trooper-y". So, when the 501st command council sat down to nail down some new costume definitions people were asking about, the Magma Trooper got defined as "red stormtrooper". A couple lines above that was the equally erroneous "Storm Commando: Black Biker Scout".
That was 2002, and I've been fighting both since. People in the club who did "Magma Trooper" costumes added orange Sandtrooper shoulder pauldrons and carry E-11s. That's what the people who the Gentle Giant reps talked to had as part of their costumes. So that's what Gentle Giant put on their statue. The one image in the entirety of the EU that shows red Stormtroopers has neither. Here's the original, uncropped:
You can see how people might misinterpret those Stormtroopers if they were isolated from their surrounding context... When I laid all this out over on the Spec Ops Detachment board, the response from Detachment leadership was, "Well... we'll wait and see what other information is out there". There. Is. Nothing. More. Their justification for the Magma Trooper was circular and self-referential. So whenever I see something that playfully carries forward an error on purpose, I worry that, as before, the irony will be lost on some and they will treat that figure as a supplemental reference for the Marvel Comics coloration of Boba and the others.
Joek3rr
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I always thought the red stormtroopers for the magma troopers were dorky. Never knew it was because of the 501st. I much prefer the DICE/EA version.
And the 501st is the reason the Storm Commando looks like a black Scout trooper? I remember seeing the CRL and thinking 'thats not what I remember them looking like.' This is one I'm familiar with.
Here's the original. West End Games. Galaxy Guide 9: Fragments From the Rim. Developed in response to the Rebels' guerrilla tactics as counter-insurgents. Program led by Imperial officer Crix Madine before his defection. With the later Prequel era stuff added, I happily have them as a further evolution from ARC Troopers/Republic Commandos=>Imperial Commandos=> Storm Commandos.
I know the artist. You'd like him -- the geekery level is broadly consistent between the three of us. He loves the Scout Troopers and definitely drew inspiration from them, but they are wholly individual -- not a "repaint". The boots, bodysuit, neckseal, and gloves are Stormtrooper. The shoulder bells are unmodified Scout. The cummerbund, waist pouches, groin armor, and holster straps are evocative of the Scout items, but quite distinct. The helmet has the rear tube shifted up and a drastically different "blinder" -- flat across the top, shorter in depth and height, flat on the sides, the sharply-angled cut, and no "step" to the rear tube. Everything else is utterly unique.
Mike is very technically skilled. All his representations of characters, troops, equipment, and ships from the films look like they're supposed to. Luke looks like Mark. Han looks like Harrison. Et cetera. It is definitely not a case of "an artist interpretation of a Biker Scout" or some such, as I've seen argued over the years. And the depiction remained largely consistent through the '90s. Here they are from the Rebellion PC game:
Here from one of the other, later WEG sourcebooks, by a different artist:
Drifting a bit, but still mostly there. In 2000, WEG pretty much disappeared, and Wizards of the Coast got the RPG license. I didn't like the "D&D, but with lightsabers" that resulted. But at least they still looked something like their original form:
Definitely getting looser in interpretation, though. I'm familiar with the pic you posted, and it seems to be a result of an internal miscommunication somewhere, as it bears a strong resemblance to the Imperial Navy Commando that showed up in The Force Unleashed:
All of the Storm Commandos I posted have one thing in common, though -- all were before that 2002 501st command council meeting. The one you posted is from the Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike PC game, but I'm not sure how long it was in development. It was released right in the middle of the three-issue Rogue Leader miniseries from Dark Horse, which gave us this:
There's a little half-assed attempt to capture some of the unique details of the actual Storm Commandos, but those are black Biker Scouts. Shadow Scouts, as we took to calling them in the later-'00s to distinguish them from the Storm Commandos they aren't. And to recognize that as a legitimate -- and cool -- troop type in its own right. Like Shadow Troopers and Shadow Guards.
I know the artist. You'd like him -- the geekery level is broadly consistent between the three of us. He loves the Scout Troopers and definitely drew inspiration from them, but they are wholly individual -- not a "repaint". The boots, bodysuit, neckseal, and gloves are Stormtrooper. The shoulder bells are unmodified Scout. The cummerbund, waist pouches, groin armor, and holster straps are evocative of the Scout items, but quite distinct. The helmet has the rear tube shifted up and a drastically different "blinder" -- flat across the top, shorter in depth and height, flat on the sides, the sharply-angled cut, and no "step" to the rear tube. Everything else is utterly unique.
Mike is very technically skilled. All his representations of characters, troops, equipment, and ships from the films look like they're supposed to. Luke looks like Mark. Han looks like Harrison. Et cetera. It is definitely not a case of "an artist interpretation of a Biker Scout" or some such, as I've seen argued over the years. And the depiction remained largely consistent through the '90s. Here they are from the Rebellion PC game:
Here from one of the other, later WEG sourcebooks, by a different artist:
Drifting a bit, but still mostly there. In 2000, WEG pretty much disappeared, and Wizards of the Coast got the RPG license. I didn't like the "D&D, but with lightsabers" that resulted. But at least they still looked something like their original form:
Definitely getting looser in interpretation, though. I'm familiar with the pic you posted, and it seems to be a result of an internal miscommunication somewhere, as it bears a strong resemblance to the Imperial Navy Commando that showed up in The Force Unleashed:
All of the Storm Commandos I posted have one thing in common, though -- all were before that 2002 501st command council meeting. The one you posted is from the Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike PC game, but I'm not sure how long it was in development. It was released right in the middle of the three-issue Rogue Leader miniseries from Dark Horse, which gave us this:
There's a little half-assed attempt to capture some of the unique details of the actual Storm Commandos, but those are black Biker Scouts. Shadow Scouts, as we took to calling them in the later-'00s to distinguish them from the Storm Commandos they aren't. And to recognize that as a legitimate -- and cool -- troop type in its own right. Like Shadow Troopers and Shadow Guards.
Bigdaddy
Master Member
If that is made of porcelain I would be very interested in owning one.
Ironically, the material that makes the most sense for clone and later Stormtrooper armor would be some version of the sintered ceramic composite 3M made for NASA for the space shuttle thermal tiles. There was an episode of Conan's talk show back in the '90s where the guest was demonstrating the stuff. Had a fine, bone-china teapot made out of it. Walls maybe an eighth of an inch thick. He plunked a length of 6x6 on the table and proceeded to pound a four-inch structural nail into it with the teapot.
Riceball
Master Member
It's clearly an Imperial china/porcelain trooper, they're meant for deploying on worlds full of china shops.
Master Boda
Sr Member
That are void of bull’s.
ghostryder
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If you're talking about the 2008 Clone Wars "movie", that was one episode (Anakin getting his apprentice) and one three-episode story arc (getting the Twilight and rescuing Jabba's kid) mashed-up into a "movie" after George saw the test footage on the big screen at the Skywalker Ranch screening room. Love how he doesn't have faith in something when it's conceptual, but once he sees it he flips one-eighty.
Like... Dude, didn't you remember what it was like trying to sell your little space movie? If you needed to see something, why didn't you ask Genndy for a short at the intended production value?
Happy Life Day, and may the Life-Power be with you all.
"Your Highness, we must take this last transport. It's our only hope."
Han is trying to get Leia to cut off the evac support management and get to the last ship out.
After he finally convinces her, she tells the remaining staff to "get to your transports".
WHAT OTHER TRANSPORTS? She's being rushed to the last one. But the staff's still sitting there. Where does she expect them to get TO?
Han is trying to get Leia to cut off the evac support management and get to the last ship out.
After he finally convinces her, she tells the remaining staff to "get to your transports".
WHAT OTHER TRANSPORTS? She's being rushed to the last one. But the staff's still sitting there. Where does she expect them to get TO?
I assume the command staff had separate transports waiting for them, knowing they would be the last ones out. I assume that would be the one Leia was going out on, so yeah I don't know where they would be going. I think she was pretty much telling them every last man for themselves, but they knew and were willing to do their jobs to the end. They were expendable, up to the point of getting captured, Leia was not. It's not happy, but I imagine they either got out or killed themselves to avoid capture.
ghostryder
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Rian Johnson Wanted to Give ‘The Last Jedi’ a ‘Hell of an Ending:’ ‘That’s What Makes a Movie a Movie’
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