So Daisy Ridley is a liar?
Star Wars: The Last Jedi star Daisy Ridley seems to have revealed that director Rian Johnson scrapped the JJ Abrams Episode 8 story, starting the sequel's story from scratch.
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I love how they purposely leave out the first part of her quote. Which goes like this. "Here's what I think I know...."- Daisy Ridley "We didn't write a treatment..." - JJ Abrams
Elsewhere in an interview JJ says specifically he didn't have the time to write a script for 8 or 9, he solely focused on doing 7. So, yeah, it's a lie that JJ wrote anything for 8 that Rian tossed out.
Having self identified as a nobody is very different from being the grand daughter of the big bad genius.
Having self identified as nobody is very different. That's the point. You have take everything that Rey has made peace with, in this case being her identity, and smash it with a wrecking ball.
Time gap between 8 and 9 is about a year genius.
Ahsoka is now out, so where does it fit?
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I know the time gap is a year. You were to one who said not once, but twice that Rey came to grips in a weeks time! To quote you. "but Rey coming to terms with being a nobody in the span of days or weeks" "However, Rey mastering her internal conflict being a nobody (which is honestly a bigger shock) in severals days or weeks"
Meanwhile, time gap between 6 and 7 is 30 years. So in 30 years, give or take a couple, Luke is still unable to master his emotions despite his continued training as a jedi master. Meanwhile, Rey is able to come to terms with being a nobody and so needs additional internal conflict in 1 years time. That is what you are telling me.
you are also telling me that having your entire self-identity and self-worth be questioned is easier to control and get over that controlling your emotions to not strike down your ne
Making peace with where you came from so drastically different then controlling your dark side. Making peace with current situation, is one thing. Luke made peace and came to terms with being Darth Vader's son in years time. But controlling you dark side, particularly after given into before, is entirely different thing. Your never free of the dark side. "And the only other Jedi lesson I can teach you today, Padawan, is that you don’t conquer the dark side and then that’s it. You don’t just overcome it. You are tested and tested and tested. There is always another test. These are the trials. And I think people trivialize it into thinking, ‘Well, I defeated the dark side.’ Yes, you did on Monday, but now there’s more. Because your hubris can get a hold of you. Because remember Yoda says in the prequels that even the older Jedi have become arrogant." - Dave Filoni
Lol except Palpatine was dead. Vader/Anakin meant to bring the end of the sith? Ring a bell? Thrown down a reactor shaft in a death star which then exploded? If an old character that was initially written off as dead suddenly comes back, there better be a good explanation. If Mace Windu suddenly turns up alive, people will call BS and ask questions because he was assumed dead.
"Lol", nothing. Star Wars is a fantasy universe. Palpatine being dead doesn't mean squat. Particularly a universe that has previously established that death isn't exactly permanent.
And the prophecy? A prophecy that was misinterpreted by the Jedi? A prophecy which says nothing about destroying the Sith. A prophecy that actually never appears in the films. A prophecy that is retcon to make Anakin more important. That George was fully intending to retcon. That prophecy? What about it?
And there is a good explanation. The dark side of the Force is pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. That coupled with fanatical followers that have the ability to create clones and strandcast, equals a returned Palpatine, that's neither alive or dead. A sick inversion of the Jedi's ability to achieve immortality. One does it by giving into the Force. The other resists the Force. A little Tolkien.
Here's something for you. Palpatine returning actually has more explanation, presented on screen, then do Force Spirits or Darth Maul.... Literally, Force Spirits have no explanation, nothing on why some Jedi can and some can't. The Clone Wars touch on it, but it's still vague.
and thanks for ignoring film examples like Sixth Sense which gave multiple examples of good foreshadowing. Or Dark Knight rises where the escapee was actually a girl and thus not Bane but Talia. Or hints in the words Eli speaks in Book of Eli before he reveals his condition. Or Christian Bale actually acting as 2 slightly different people in the prestige and the blatant hints that become obvious after the reveal.
I'm not ignoring. I haven't seen the Sixth Sense, so I'm not going to comment. I will comment on The Dark Knight Rises and the Book of Eli. For TDKR, Talia is new character, for that trilogy. We're seeing her for the first time. Palpatine is a well established character. The moment you hint that Snoke is answering to a higher power, or that the First Order is carrying out cloning experiments, people are going to catch on, and fast. Another thing is. The reveal of Talia is, only works for the uninitiated. It doesn't work for the initiated, they all ready know that Bane isn't Rha's Al Ghul's child. The Book of Eli's masterful reveal that he's blind, and the foreshadowing, that you don't realize is foreshadowing. It's not apparent until the revelation that he's blind.
Palpatine's revelation works in a similar fashion. When look back, after the revelation of Palpatine's return it all makes sense. In the Prequels we know that Palpatine is always 5 moves ahead of everyone. We find that he is trying to discover his master's ability to cheat death. He's discovery of the mask of Darth Momin. His trying to access the World Between Worlds in Rebels. In ROTJ, he's so certain of himself, completely unafraid of death, he cares not it Luke kills him. The First Order's rise to power that was orchestrated by Palpatine before his "death." Kylo has this strange devotion to Vader's mask, and asks it to show him the dark side. And speaks to it directly, calling it grandfather. Then it's revealed that Palpatine achieved his goal of cheating death. He created the First Order for himself (makes sense). And had masquerading as Vader.
Chris Terrio speaks to this idea. "Kathy had this overall vision that we had to be telling the same story for nine episodes. Although from the sleight of hand of Episode VII and Episode VIII, you wouldn’t necessarily know immediately that we were telling the same story. She thought it would be a very strong end for the ninth movie. This fits well with J.J. because he loves magic tricks. When you rewatch the earlier films, things start to make additional sense. Ren and his devotion to the idea of his grandfather. The voice that he’s always heard in his head. The certain similarities between Snoke and Palpatine. The intention was that, by the time you get to Episode IX, you realize there were real reasons this is all happening. It all shows how this story is being fought cyclically through the series."
So you are still relying on legends to make your case. If we are referring to the games as canon, is starkiller the strongest jedi second only to Anakin?
Cal Kestis(Jedi Fallen Order) Quinlan Vos(The Clone Wars) are both canon, not Legends.....
Lol you have got to learn to read and comprehend. I state that Finn is a main character in TFA, like Trailer opens with Finn. Finn is the first character we meet in the movie. The movie starts from his perspective. Just because Finn doesnt have force powers doesnt automatically not make him a main character.
I need read and comprehend? To quote you again. "...when he was previously Luke..."
Oh no he's the first character we see in the trailer! Seriously? Trailers are totally not purposely misleading...
Finn is also the one initiating the action that drives the story in TFA. Its his initiative to leave the first order and free Poe that kicks off the story.
Leia was the first character introduced in Star Wars. Does that make her the main character, or just a main character? And anyways, BB-8 and Poe Dameron are introduced before Finn, so yeah.....
Leia putting the plans into Artoo is what starts the whole film off. So......
He goes searching for BB that Rey just happened to pick up.
He goes searching for BB-8? Say what now? Just stop making stuff up....
He gets Rey’s help with Rey supporting Finn. He is the one that gets BB to the resistance. He is the one that agrees to join the rescue mission. He is the one with the lightsaber and engages Nines and later Kylo Ren. Finn is the active protagonist in TFA. Now see how different he is in TLJ and RoS where things happen to him.
i also mention dual main characters, that Finn is as prominent as Rey in TFA. Rey takes a more passive role, not wanting to leave Jakku, getting captured by Kylo Ren and being the damsel. Rejecting the call. Its only when she starts to tap into the force and use mind control and later calls the lightsaber dos Rey start to take the mantle of protagonist (hence the surprise when she gets the lightsaber to duel Kylo Ren).
Rey takes a more passive role.... Really? I thought Rey was a "Mary Sue" who does everything and never needs help??? Oh wait, only when she needs to be for the argument.
Who runs them to a ship and flies them through the Graveyard of Giants? Who comes up with idea of killing the Stormtroopers? Who tries to stop the pirates? Who saves Finn from the Rathars? The answer is Rey, to all of those, not Finn. Really passive..... Bonus question, who tries to run away and leave their new friends? That's right, Finn does.
Funny how im also not the only one to notice this.
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The actor shared details about a storyline that could have kept him front and center in the Skywalker Saga’s final act.
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you forget to mention that in RoS, he doesnt take any action himself. Erase Finn from the story and does anything really change? If no, Finn isnt even a secondary character. Han is the driving force in RotJ to get the gang to save him and show off how much Luke has grown. Han does take a backseat but he leads the ground force while Lando leads the air force and Luke confronts Vader. The weight and impact on the story are completely different.
Without Finn's Force sensitivity they wouldn't have known which Star Destroyer to attack. But even if taking him out doesn't change anything. What does that matter? Take Indiana Jones out of Raider's of the Lost Ark and same ending is reached. Sometimes it isn't about what the characters do for the story. Sometimes it's about what the story does for the characters. Or the what the characters do for each other. Finn has an interesting story in TROS. He's realization that he's Force sensitive, and that it was the Force that led to rebel against his "programing." But most importantly is Finn discovering that he isn't alone. That there others, like him, First Order Stormtroopers that Force led to rebel. Whom Finn recruits, to the Resistance. They fight because of him.
I know you love the Sequel trilogy but stop trying to debate the story on story structure merits. You get it wrong pretty much every time.