Lets talk all things Star Wars

[patrickivan]

The definition of Science Fiction is NOT up for debate, despite some comments here.

What many people are incorrectly stating here is THEIR interpretation of the definition of Science Fiction. That is unfortunate.

In this case, is Star Wars even loosely based on Sci-fi? And it isn't. The tech in it isn't based on any logic or real-world reason. The worlds in it. The complete lack of application of Physics. Lucas didn't look up technological advancements and try to apply them in a futuristic setting, and then create a story on their impact on humanity. THAT is science fiction. He didn't do any of that.

It is a fantasy. There is nothing about it grounded in any remote form of reality other than there are humans that speak. Like Lord of the Rings.

Remember that opening crawl. It pretty much sums it up.

 

[sztriki]

He appeared to those folks as they last saw him. Mainly to Leia & Kylo. To her, it was a reassurance, to Kylo, it was a guise of a strong opponent to lure him into 'battle'.

That's the 'in-universe' explanation to me, to the audience, it was the clue, along with the lightsaber, that something was up.

Not defending, apologising, justifying, or any of that crap. Just trying to seriously answer a question.

It wasn't a clue it was a yell in the face which is why I don't understand why the scene was directed as if it was a secret or twist that he is an apparition.

 

[Bigdaddy]

Everything is up for debate, definitions vary depending on the source.

Merriam Webster and Britannica :
Definition of science fiction

: fiction dealing principally with the impact of actual or imagined science on society or individuals or having a scientific factor as an essential orienting component.

It doesn't need to be REAL science or in the future. People can categorize SW any way they choose to, for me it's a mixture of genres. If someone with no knowledge of the story asked I'd call it Sci-fi/fantasy or vice versa.... let's not forget what we've learned about absolutes.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Merriam Webster and Britannica :
Definition of science fiction

: fiction dealing principally with the impact of actual or imagined science on society or individuals or having a scientific factor as an essential orienting component.

Exactly. And that is why Star Wars is Fantasy and not Science Fiction. To say otherwise means you do not truly understand that definition.

 

[genZOD]

So I've been wanting to create this thread for sometime. Basically if anyone wants to. Come talk Star Wars. Doesn't matter if it's about the movies, TV shows, games, books, Legends or Canon. If it's Star Wars, then let's talk about. If there's something you love, let's talk about it. Something you hate, let's talk. Waiting for the paint to dry on your gorgeous V2, come and talk!

I spent the last year or so building all of the Star Wars props that I’ve wanted since I was a little kid. Next up: the Storm Trooper blaster.

 

[gjw]

Remember that opening crawl. It pretty much sums it up.

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Only just thought of this but isn't that crawl further evidence of an Earth reference?
A long time ago from when?
Far, far away from what?

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

I spent the last year or so building all of the Star Wars props that I’ve wanted since I was a little kid. Next up: the Storm Trooper blaster.

What’s your plan? 3D printing, fan kit, demilitarized Sterling, etc..?

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Only just thought of this but isn't that crawl further evidence of an Earth reference?
A long time ago from when?
Far, far away from what?

It is not about whether or not Earth exists somewhere out there. The point is that Earth or it’s society are not involved in the story. It’s not a future, present, or past of people descendants came from Earth. Nor is Earth in any involved in story elements.

 

[Bigdaddy]

Exactly. And that is why Star Wars is Fantasy and not Science Fiction. To say otherwise means you do not truly understand that definition.

Funny how we both read that definition and come to opposite conclusions. Yes, I truly do understand that definition. We just have a different veiw of the story. I think the technology plays an important role in the story of the OT and is an essential component of what makes it so appealing to me. The impact on galactic society from the "technological terror" of the empire is the driving motivation for the rebellion. The settings in spaceships and bases filled with tech set it apart from traditional fantasy stories. The tech is what makes a lightsaber cooler than a longsword (IMO). Like wise the magical aspects of the force set it apart from traditional sci-fi stories.

 

[genZOD]

What’s your plan? 3D printing, fan kit, demilitarized Sterling, etc..?

I’m going to start with a replica Sterling & go from there.

I 3D printed my green lightsaber. There is a ton of Bondo on it to make it look smooth. I ended up using silver leaf & layers of thinned paint to get pretty close to the metal look from the movie.

I used replica pistols as the base for my Luke & Han blasters. I also purchased replica scopes & etc. Using metal was cool because I could used gun/aluminum black to give the props a realistic finish.

 

[genZOD]

Only just thought of this but isn't that crawl further evidence of an Earth reference?
A long time ago from when?
Far, far away from what?

IIRC, the very original idea was that the Whills were telling the story of the Jedi to students. Each chapter was a history lesson.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Funny how we both read that definition and come to opposite conclusions. Yes, I truly do understand that definition. We just have a different veiw of the story. I think the technology plays an important role in the story of the OT and is an essential component of what makes it so appealing to me. The impact on galactic society from the "technological terror" of the empire is the driving motivation for the rebellion. The settings in spaceships and bases filled with tech set it apart from traditional fantasy stories. The tech is what makes a lightsaber cooler than a longsword (IMO). Like wise the magical aspects of the force set it apart from traditional sci-fi stories.

The Guns of Navero could be a technological terror, but it doesn’t make it a science fiction movie.

Technology in a movie is not the defining factor. It’s about the impact it has on society. when they talk about society, they are taking about the society of the movie goer. Like how society might be effected by our reliance on technology like Matrix or Terminator. Or our fears of invasion from another planet which was popular in the 50s and 60s because it represented our fear of the spread of communism. Since it is not our society involved and/or our future... not science fiction

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

IIRC, the very original idea was that the Whills were telling the story of the Jedi to students. Each chapter was a history lesson.

I also heard back from some tv interview around the time of Star Wars first network premiere that another concept was for a mother Wookiee trying to get her child to sleep, she pulls a book off the shelf and opens it up, and that is where you see “A long time ago...“ At the end of the award ceremony, she closes the book and puts her sleeping child to bed.

Ever since hearing that, I always imagined each movie existing as books on the shelf of some Wookiee child’s room.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Can I just say how sorry I am for you....

Why? I'd read most of them, and have, before I'd watch any of the Sequels over again. There are several series in there that make the Sequel writers look like amateur fanfic writers. (Zahn Trilogy, X-Wing series, Darth Bane trilogy, Republic Commando Series, etc.)

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Why? I'd read most of them, and have, before I'd watch any of the Sequels over again. There are several series in there that make the Sequel writers look like amateur fanfic writers. (Zahn Trilogy, X-Wing series, Darth Bane trilogy, Republic Commando Series, etc.)

This is coming from a guy that named his daughter Mara Jade but the Sequel Series was way better than any Legacy book... and I don’t think much of the new EU books either. I read everything up thru the first Yuuzhan Vong novel. I mainly read them out of lack of any other Star Wars material coming out. I probably could hold an M-80 firecracker in my hand and still have enough fingers on that hand to count the ones I enjoyed.

 

[Psab keel]

The ST is utter ****. Not much better than the bargain bin Sci-fi you'd see on TV in the 90's.

 

[Ron]

Which one was the one with zombie stormtroopers???

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Which one was the one with zombie stormtroopers???

Red Harvest... I think.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

He appeared to those folks as they last saw him. Mainly to Leia & Kylo. To her, it was a reassurance, to Kylo, it was a guise of a strong opponent to lure him into 'battle'.

That's the 'in-universe' explanation to me, to the audience, it was the clue, along with the lightsaber, that something was up.

Not defending, apologising, justifying, or any of that crap. Just trying to seriously answer a question.

I believe the explanation for the hair coloring properties of “Force Projection” was given in an excellent video by Mike Zeroh, as a secret that was given to Luke by the spirit of Qui Gon.

Said Qui Gon to Luke, in a cut scene: “It’s really just that simple....5 minutes on your “Force Projection’s head, and just rinse. It will make you look 20 years younger. I’m telling you, the women will suddenly look at you in a whole new way, Luke. My preferred color is Chestnut Brown, myself.”

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

The ST is utter ****. Not much better than the bargain bin Sci-fi you'd see on TV in the 90's.

I don’t dislike it that much. It’s the weak link of Star Wars for sure. The lack of any type of pre-developed story across the trilogy is its ultimate downfall. On a personal note, I dislike the grim future of our original trilogy heroes. I would have wanted them to have happier futures but they all ended up miserable. However I try to get past that as I refuse to be like the toxic fan who dislikes something simply because it is not done the way you want it.

But I still enjoy watching them and find things in each movie that I enjoy. I try to embrace those moments and aspects.