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sztriki said:
No offense to you personally but this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.:lol:
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Sure, it was probably in the movie predominantly as a vehicle for selling toys. (no pun intended)
But it still makes sense given the circumstances described. If we ignore the unusual geology of Naboo for a moment, a Bongo is a boat and on the real world Earth it is often quicker to sail than to walk — even if you would have to sail around things.
 
Darth Lars said:
Sure, it was probably in the movie predominantly as a vehicle for selling toys. (no pun intended)
But it still makes sense given the circumstances described. If we ignore the unusual geology of Naboo for a moment, a Bongo is a boat and on the real world Earth it is often quicker to sail than to walk — even if you would have to sail around things.
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Sure but what did the notion of going through the planet core add to anything other than being a completely absurd thing? The only time it's quicker to go through the planet's core is if you're going to the exact opposite side of the planet. They could have just said take our bongo and go through the whatever underwater passage. Same stuff exactly. Why on earth did it need to be the planet core is my issue...
 
Plus there's the whole issue of water pressure at the center of a planet. On Earth, the pressure is enough to melt rock and iron. It would be neat to learn what happens to water at that kind of pressure. Speaking of that, does having no iron core mean that Naboo has no magnetic field?

But let's assume that as long-time inhabitants of that planet, they overcame all that stuff over thousands of years of evolution and travel through the core is possible. For people saying that it wouldn't be quicker to go through the core, don't forget that a.) the Gungans are underwater people with no evidence that they have flying machines. Their first instinct would almost ALWAYS be to go through the water. And b.) The Trade Federation Army was all over the planet, probably in a fairly straight line from where Qui-Gon landed to Theed. They'd undoubtedly intercept and stop ground traffic, especially near the capitol. The planet-core path allowed the Jedi to pop up right in the middle of the city, inside the droids' perimeter. The real miracle is that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan landed within walking distance of each other.
 
RedheadKevin said:
Plus there's the whole issue of water pressure at the center of a planet. On Earth, the pressure is enough to melt rock and iron. It would be neat to learn what happens to water at that kind of pressure. Speaking of that, does having no iron core mean that Naboo has no magnetic field?

But let's assume that as long-time inhabitants of that planet, they overcame all that stuff over thousands of years of evolution and travel through the core is possible. For people saying that it wouldn't be quicker to go through the core, don't forget that a.) the Gungans are underwater people with no evidence that they have flying machines. Their first instinct would almost ALWAYS be to go through the water. And b.) The Trade Federation Army was all over the planet, probably in a fairly straight line from where Qui-Gon landed to Theed. They'd undoubtedly intercept and stop ground traffic, especially near the capitol. The planet-core path allowed the Jedi to pop up right in the middle of the city, inside the droids' perimeter. The real miracle is that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan landed within walking distance of each other.
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Not disputing anything that you say but my point seems to get lost on everyone responding. Why on earth does it have to be the planet core which physically makes no sense instead of just an underwater passage? Honestly I'll draw it when I get home why the planet core makes no semse and that would be accepting the nonsense geology as a plausibility.
I'm not really looking for a real answer as neither of us has access to George Lucas' brain just eeally wondering from a storywriting point of view as it is completely needless and just makes things more confusing.
 
Its simple. GL liked the way it sounded. It seemed cool to him. Also real world scientific principles should never be applied to Star Wars. Its not meant to work that way. Would you get annoyed at your car if you drove it off a cliff and it didn't fly?
 
JoeG said:
Its simple. GL liked the way it sounded. It seemed cool to him. Also real world scientific principles should never be applied to Star Wars. Its not meant to work that way. Would you get annoyed at your car if you drove it off a cliff and it didn't fly?
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Exactly. The vast majority of SW is based on Rule of Cool. "It just sounded cool" is, in reality, the main basis for what Lucas wrote, designed, or thought up. Then at some point he realized he could sell more toys and comics by making up a backstory to every alien that appears on screen.
 
I'm with Sztriki on this, Naboo isn't some tiny planetoid, so the notion of piloting a submarine through the planets core is as rediculous as saying "we haven't time to find a spaceship so lets fly that hangglider to the moon". Its just takes the space fantasy element a bit too far (for us nerds anyway) so why say it?!.
 
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I don't disagree with any of the above. But the main issue is not the tech. If a mile long spaceslug can live in an asteroid that apparently does eat something then fine I'll buy a planet with a watery core. I'll also buy the yellow submarine going through a planet's core even if it's completely moronic. It's not the imaginary tech I have a problem with (well mainly, there's only so much I can suspend my disbelief but fine). The main problem I have is simple maths that you can't cheat, it's like saying the poopoo is peepee.
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The red dot on the surface is Theed. The quickest way from point A to point B is the straight line. So the ONLY time the quickest way to Theed throught the core is if they start from the EXACT opposite side of the planet (green line). Any other route is bound to be a triangle like the blue lines and the brown and we know that two sides of the triangle (blue lines) are always longer than the third (brown line). If they really do follow the green line then why did the army land on the exact opposite side of the planet? It's like saying we're in South England and need to land in Normandy so we go through the planet core and when we are 2/3rds towards Tasmania we will turn and come up at Normandy.

But that's nothing new, this has been discussed multiple times. It's in the Plinkett review as well. This is just for context. My issue is when bits like that in the script are there to "sound cool" as JoeG said and it just complicates things. Like I get GL wanted to make it sound ominous like ooooh planet core. But there is nothing about the planet core in the story. If they said the quickest way is through the Dragontooth Trench that would also have sounded ominous, the same big fish bigger fish schtick could have been done and it wouldn't have made any difference. It's just that things like that stick out to me cuz it's a peek behind the curtains to see how lazy the filmmaker/scriptwriter is. It's as Plinkett said Order 66, you can see the thought process: "What should be the big bad thing? Execure Operation Shadowblade...no, that's dumb, how about a number, what's an evil number? 666, but too obvious...Execute order 6...no, maybe order 66? Yep, fine moving on.".
Or the other day I was watching the Witcher series (god that's horrendous). There's a pig farmer, his deformed hunchback good-for-nothing daughter outside and a sorceress comes:
"How much for a pig?"
"10 crowns"
"And how much for your daughter?"
"6 crowns"
"I'll give 4".
"Ok".

And I'm just like why on earth did she ask the price of the pig other than obvious in fyour face exposition for the audience? There are at least a hundred ways the same message could have been conveyed and they went with the laziest where the character in the context has no reason to have the conversation this way. I dunno, I know I'm overthinking it but laziness like this frustrates me so much.
 
Maybe we could consider that "going through the planet core" doesn't exactly mean "going through the exact center of the planet." It could have been tunnels through the crust of the planet which were all underwater, creating an underwater "subway system." I wouldn't be surprised if the Gungans thought those tunnels went to the center of the world. At least, they thought it for long enough that "the planet core" was what they called those deep tunnels by tradition. And by "speediest," Boss Nass could have meant that it was the speediest way to Theed because it wouldn't get them held up by either avoiding droids or being captured by them. Or, the submarine was faster than kaadus.
 
Hey you do you man. :lol: ;) The only thing that really drives me nuts is people saying "laser sword". I get people living on Tatooine might not know what a lightsaber is, but it just drives me nuts.
 
sztriki said:
I know I'm overthinking it but laziness like this frustrates me so much.
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Its ok. Its called OCD. Most of us here have it to some degree or another. There's a line from Tim Burton's film Ed Wood where Ed says, "Nobody will ever notice that. Filmmaking is not about the tiny details. It's about the big picture.". After seeing the prequels, thats the kind of thing I imagine may have been going through GL's head while making them.
 
Yeah I can't stand "laser sword" either. Especially having Luke call it that. I get that it was an homage to George's original term for the weapon but it was introduced to Luke as a lightsaber and referred to as such throughout the trilogy. It's one of many suggestions by Sir Alec Guinness that became so iconic because from what I heard he was the one who came up with that name for it. Unless calling it a "laser sword" was just another way for Luke to show distain for the weapon by the time of TLJ.

I always assumed Anakin in TPM referred to it as that because he was only going on stories he'd heard about the Jedi, like the idea that no one could kill them and likely wherever he heard these things from they never referred to it as a lightsaber.
 
Why can’t a weapon in the Star Wars galaxy be revered to as other names, categories, or slang? We live in a world where weapons are referred to and accepted using multiple names.
type in revolver in the urban dictionary and you get this; Urban Thesaurus - Find Synonyms for Slang Words

I actually love the use of laser sword as it is an homage to the way it was originally described in early draft.
 
It's just a preference. Lightsaber sounds more elegant than Laser Sword, which is why Alec Guinness suggested it to George. I can call a hammer a smacker doodle, but it sounds better to call it by it's proper name.
 
Psab keel said:
It's just a preference. Lightsaber sounds more elegant than Laser Sword, which is why Alec Guinness suggested it to George. I can call a hammer a smacker doodle, but it sounds better to call it by it's proper name.
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You could also consider that laser sword could be a proper name and not slang. There are probably other forms of energy bladed weapons similar to lightsabers and they are all considered under the category of laser swords. Is Han wrong for calling his weapon a blaster and not referring to it as it’s proper name DL 44?
 
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