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HanSolo2187
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What - behind the bunny???
CB2001
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I came across this video just recently. I know a lot of people are gonna say "fake" or "they're just being clickbait", but the source they're talking about in this video worked on the Behind The Scenes books for the Star Wars films, and apparently, Lucas didn't sell LucasFilms to Disney because of fan hate, but because of issues with Marin County and the fact that none of his kids wanted to take it over (and, it even repeats some of what we've heard about Lucas trying to be brought back into LucasFilms). Personally, I'm not familiar with this Rinzler guy, but apparently, Disney had him pull his blog for some reason. Whether you believe it or not, that's up to you. But, this video does bring up some interesting info, even if the possibility of it not being real seems more than likely. But it certainly seems like something's going on. Has anyone else ever heard of Rinzler?
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"That Rinzler guy" has serious cred. He worked for LucasFilm for at least a decade. They hired him to the their nonfiction editor (which, ironically, included all the Incredible Cross-Sections books as well as the Visual Dictionaries and making-of/art-of books). He personally wrote the art-of and making-of books for ROTS, and then did a deep delve and wrote the huge, comprehensive, no-holds-barred, thoroughly wonderful Making of Star Wars. Through the first half of the 2010s, he followed up with the Making of ESB and ROTJ -- also thoroughly researched and wonderfully presented -- and books on the sounds and blueprints, as well as a couple episodes of Clone Wars. I had pre-ordered his making-of book for TFA... when he suddenly no longer worked at LucasFilm and the book was delayed, and then cancelled.
Informed speculation is that while his warts-and-all approach to the OT was fine because it was thirty years prior, exposing all the shenaniganery behind Episode VII so soon was probably frowned upon.
Informed speculation is that while his warts-and-all approach to the OT was fine because it was thirty years prior, exposing all the shenaniganery behind Episode VII so soon was probably frowned upon.
CB2001
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I, unfortunately, am not familiar with his making-of books, but it sounds like he's a pretty legit source of information of things happening behind the scenes. But since it's his blog that mentioned Lucas trying to get back in, could the rumors about the supposed "civil war" at LucasFilms have some possible truth behind it?
I have saved copies of what I could find to my hard drive, but before it's gone everywhere, wherever you fall on the OT/PT/ST love/hate roller-coaster, do read. It is indeed not just legit, but rather fascinating:
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 1
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 2
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 3
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 4
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 5
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 6
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 7
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 8
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 9
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 10
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 11
I thought there was one more -- that went more into the making of ROTS (but not what was in the book The Making of SW:ROTS) -- before he decided to stop his tell-all. It was also all back in 2017, right around when his Making of The Force Awakens was scrubbed. Despite the fact that he says he chose to stop, I have remained... less than convinced.
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 1
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 2
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 3
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 4
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 5
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 6
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 7
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 8
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 9
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 10
The Rise and Fall of Star Wars, Part 11
I thought there was one more -- that went more into the making of ROTS (but not what was in the book The Making of SW:ROTS) -- before he decided to stop his tell-all. It was also all back in 2017, right around when his Making of The Force Awakens was scrubbed. Despite the fact that he says he chose to stop, I have remained... less than convinced.
BLADE and BRUSH
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I was following Rinzler's blog before it disappeared and he did publish Part 12. The anecdote that stuck with me was his encounter with Hayden and Ewan on the set of ROTS. Apparently their spirits were low due to the backlash against Ep's 1 and 2, and Ewan was a bit hostile/stand-offish, thinking that Rinzler might be a non-Lucasfilm reporter with an agenda.
Thanks, BLADE and BRUSH -- I thought I remembered that. I'm annoyed when I went to check just then I couldn't find it.
Laspector
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In ANH when they say "All wings report in" why did they all reply out of order? Shouldn't this be like a 'count off' situation? 1,2,3,etc. If everyone is just answering randomly, wouldn't people be talking over each other? How do they know when it is their turn to check in?
Laspector
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Yeah, maybe. But it just seems like in a battle situation, numerical order would always be better. Suppose one guy didn't check in, Red Leader has to try to figure out whose not there. "Let's see, I got Red 3, Red 2, Red 11, Red 5.....wait, did Red 3 check in? I got more things to worry about than trying to remember random numbers!!"
Real-world reason: For dramatic purposes, the hero has to call in last. If Luke called in less than halfway through, and then we spent another thirty seconds as the rest of Red Group sounded off, it'd feel a little draggy. Only way to have Luke finish it at five of twelve was to randomize the sequence. The only thing that works in my head is if each Group Leader has a display somewhere where we can't see it, out of frame, that has the group ID tags light up as each calls in, so he can have a visual telltale out of the corner of his eye who's present and set. And, during the battle, can tell at a glance who's out of action and who's left, so as to reassign assets ("Luke? Take Red Two and Three. Hold up here and wait for my signal to start your run.").
el toro
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Laspector
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Just nit-picking because I'm bored....
In TESB, after the Falcon floats away "with the rest of the garbage", and the hyperdrive isn't working, why didn't they just call somebody to come pick them up?
Another one; since we have no idea how long it took to get to Bespin or how long Luke trained on Dagobah (days, weeks, months?) Shouldn't Luke have told somebody where he was going? Depending on how long he was there, don't you figure the whole rest of the fleet must've just assumed he got killed leaving Hoth? I can just imagine General Reikan or Mothma or somebody just scolding the crap out of him when he finally returned to the fleet "Where the hell have you been?!! Do you know what time it is?!! We have been worried sick about you!!! You can't think to give us a call or anything?!! For all we knew you could've been laying dead in a ditch!!"
In TESB, after the Falcon floats away "with the rest of the garbage", and the hyperdrive isn't working, why didn't they just call somebody to come pick them up?
Another one; since we have no idea how long it took to get to Bespin or how long Luke trained on Dagobah (days, weeks, months?) Shouldn't Luke have told somebody where he was going? Depending on how long he was there, don't you figure the whole rest of the fleet must've just assumed he got killed leaving Hoth? I can just imagine General Reikan or Mothma or somebody just scolding the crap out of him when he finally returned to the fleet "Where the hell have you been?!! Do you know what time it is?!! We have been worried sick about you!!! You can't think to give us a call or anything?!! For all we knew you could've been laying dead in a ditch!!"
sztriki
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They knew nobody in that system.
Yea, he essentially deserted. Been bothering me for years now...Another one; since we have no idea how long it took to get to Bespin or how long Luke trained on Dagobah (days, weeks, months?) Shouldn't Luke have told somebody where he was going? Depending on how long he was there, don't you figure the whole rest of the fleet must've just assumed he got killed leaving Hoth? I can just imagine General Reikan or Mothma or somebody just scolding the crap out of him when he finally returned to the fleet "Where the hell have you been?!! Do you know what time it is?!! We have been worried sick about you!!! You can't think to give us a call or anything?!! For all we knew you could've been laying dead in a ditch!!"
ThreadSketch
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Another one; since we have no idea how long it took to get to Bespin or how long Luke trained on Dagobah (days, weeks, months?) Shouldn't Luke have told somebody where he was going? Depending on how long he was there, don't you figure the whole rest of the fleet must've just assumed he got killed leaving Hoth? I can just imagine General Reikan or Mothma or somebody just scolding the crap out of him when he finally returned to the fleet "Where the hell have you been?!! Do you know what time it is?!! We have been worried sick about you!!! You can't think to give us a call or anything?!! For all we knew you could've been laying dead in a ditch!!"
In the supremely awkward deleted scene where Luke and Leia had actual kissy-kissy instead of "Leia's trolling Han kissy-kissy," Luke told her he needed to leave for a while; I suppose if this scene had been used, while it's definitely not a formal or even good enough request for leave through the proper channels, because of her high rank he might have figured he could get away with that, as she would have been able to tell anyone asking after him once the fleet regrouped (though he hadn't told her where). But since this was cut out, nothing else was inserted to cover Luke's butt on this.
On the one hand, yeah, he had his spiritual instructions inconveniently given to him while he was dying of hypothermia and thus anyone could tell him he was nuts and just hallucinated nonsense out in the snow, so he might have been embarrassed to mention that. On the other...he could've just straight up fibbed and fudged that, since apparently the Alliance put a lot of stock in Jedi - they used "May the Force be with you" as a universal benediction, after all - and if he'd just been selectively honest, there's a chance they'd have simply let him go.
But that was a gamble. His superiors might not have let him go because of his responsibility as Rogue Leader, and this is something Luke obviously felt very, very strongly about, so it's possible he felt it worthwhile to risk his rank and incurring charges of going AWOL against him to go "Luke be a Jedi toniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight." Even if that was his rationale, though, it wouldn't have killed him to at least tell a buddy like Wedge on the downlow. The pilots still on the ground when we see Luke heading out post-Battle of Hoth look strangely chill for an evacuation, lol.
Honestly, this could have been one of the reasons why there's a 6-month-to-maybe-year-long gap between ESB and ROTJ - not only would Luke have needed an adjustment period with his prosthetic hand and likely spend some time continuing self-training, but he could have had his ass raked across the coals for desertion and maybe got stuck on probation. Sure, he got a little leveled up in the Force, but him turning up beaten to hamburger by Vader and losing a hand and not really doing anything else productive while ghosting on the Alliance should have definitely gotten him an earful, even if he's Luke Kriffing Skywalker.
Buuuuuuut, this isn't a problem in the films or even brought up because it's beside the point and Lucas obviously wasn't hung up on making it an issue, lol. COMMENCE HANDWAVING.
The people in the Alliance still believed in the Jedi. I think if Luke showed up and said "I just got a Force vision from Obi-Wan Kenobi and I have to leave temporarily to be trained." I doubt anyone would stop him. He's a living Jedi. That's massive for the Alliance both as an asset, as inspiration for the Rebels, and as a threat to the Empire. They have pilots, they don't have Jedi.
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