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The people in the Alliance still believed in the Jedi. I think if Luke showed up and said "I just got a Force vision from Obi-Wan Kenobi and I have to leave temporarily to be trained." I doubt anyone would stop him. He's a living Jedi. That's massive for the Alliance both as an asset, as inspiration for the Rebels, and as a threat to the Empire. They have pilots, they don't have Jedi.

Yeah, all I can say since nothing happened onscreen and we have to extrapolate, if Luke didn't say anything at all and just took off, the most probable reason was because everything happened too fast. Obi-Wan showed up during his near-death snow-scapade, he woke up greeted by his friends and quickly got sidelined by Han and Leia's shenanigans, then when he's barely getting cleared the friggin' Battle of Hoth is starting and he immediately needs to get his butt in a snowspeeder. Everybody had to scramble anyway, so he saw his opportunity and just went for it.

I also gotta consider that since it had been 3 years since ANH, old comics and extra material aside back then, it was entirely possible that this was the first time he'd heard from Ben since Yavin. That had to have really meant something to him and might have lit a fire under him in terms of feeling like he needed to hustle and do this Yoda thing right away, to the point of not even allowing himself time to formally excuse himself post-battle.
 
For me the Alliance is like the Maquis. A loose collection of resistance fighters who share a common goal, that creates the will to follow a hierarchy towards achieving that goal, whilst being under no formal military command/law.
 
The Alliance wasn't an official military, it was a group of volunteers so I'd assume everyone was free to come and go as they saw fit. Han said he had to go and was free to do so, I don't see why it would be different for Luke.

Han definitely was, because he never accepted a commission until ROTJ. He kept himself around as a freelance contractor. Luke did accept rank as commander of a squadron, so it'd be a bit more awkward for him to just up and disappear without saying anything whatsoever or just getting killed. Even if ranks were essentially meaningless, it's shirking significant responsibility - it's being rudely cavalier, lol.



"I'm Luke Skywalker and I can do what I want because you're not my real dad...Vader is, whoops." :p
 
Han definitely was, because he never accepted a commission until ROTJ. He kept himself around as a freelance contractor.
That's one of the things I love about the nonverbal storytelling of costuming*. In ANH, Luke joined with gusto and enthusiasm. What he was wearing for the award ceremony at the end was supposed to be some uniform of the Alliance -- based on him being a fighter pilot, I'd say some sort of surplus Starfighter division uniform from somewhere. A lot of people have said it was something Han had on his ship, but it doesn't seem to be Lando's style or size, definitely not Han's size. The Rebel base being the source seems much more likely.

So in Empire, when Han -- a pilot -- is wearing his own set of those trousers, but his own shirt and jacket (plus him still being there, period), it's a visual way of saying he's "half in". He's been sticking with the Rebels, in large part by saying he can leave whenever he wants to. General Rieekan addresses his as "Captain", not just "Master Solo" or whatever. Honestly, I feel like he's more part of the heirarchy than Leia at that point. She's a senator from a senate that no longer exists, a princess from a planet that no longer exists, and never wears a rank badge. Are she and Mon Mothma "official suggesters" that the Alliance Generals then consider whether to act on?

His (insufficient) arc in ROTJ is that his friends came back for him (although the scene where he more or less acknowledges this was cut, and only some of the dialogue made it into the replacement), he consciously recognizes that he belongs -- that he is no longer alone. So when they get back to the fleet, he goes all-in, which is sprung on Leia during the briefing. Of course, the Rebels hung a generalship on Lando, too, so I don't know big a deal that is, since they seem to be handing them out to everyone who'll sign on with them.

I kid.:p ...But only somewhat. I'd give almost anything to have been able to see all the story that was cut, where Lando and Han would have done the things for the Rebellion that earned them those ranks for the final assault.

[*Also one of the things that pisses me off when the ball is dropped. In TPM, one of the first things I noticed was the uniforms of the pilots of the ship Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were in. Same cut as the OT Imperial Starfleet uniforms, but blue, no rank plaques, and no chest pockets for code cylinders. No headgear, either. Both giving a line of continuity to the original film's uniforms that they'd become, and also showing the less militaristic tone of this time in the lack of accoutrements. So when we got the ROTS-coda early-Imperial uniforms, later propagated backward in the Clone Wars animated series, I was right cheesed off that there was such a visually different uniform now sandwiched between the blue Republic 'military' uniform and the later Imperial Starfleet uniform. Disruption of continuity, muddling of the visual storytelling. And it was ugly, too.]
 
I always assumed that his outfit in ESB and his ceremony outfit at the end of ANH were both some form of military issue garments supplied to him by the Alliance. I mean they gave him his flight suit for his X-Wing, why not some form of military digs too? Even as a little kid I assumed that and even surmised that his blaster in ESB was either Rebel issue or a spare Han gave to him. The assumption that Han gave Luke a blaster was only because I noted how much it resembled Han's pistol. Retroblasting did a GREAT video on Luke's Rebel Fatigues in Empire which most of us refer to as Bespin Fatigues even though he wears them through most of the film and not just on Bespin. If you haven't seen the video it's really worth a watch!


As for why the Rebellion would let Luke or Han or Lando come and go as they please I always figured they were never under any obligation to stay. I mean even at the height of A New Hope they gave Luke a star fighter to join them in the final battle because they needed people so desperately. Why wouldn't they accept any help they could get? In the same manner they didn't strong arm Han into staying, so why would they feel the need to try and hold these people accountable for leaving if they chose to? In my mind that desperation only supports the idea of how ill equipped the Alliance is in the first place, but unlike the Empire they won't force people against their will.


Something else to consider is that because the Rebellion was cobbled together with whoever was willing to fight alongside them against the Empire, one could assume that a high ranking was given to whoever showed valor in battle. I mean Luke and Han were given medals at the end of ANH and at the beginning of Empire they are both Generals. Lando is made general because of his "maneuver at the battle of Tinaab." This informality seems to lend itself to the idea that the Alliance is just that, an Alliance made up of people volunteering to fight. Which to my mind makes the willingness of Luke, Han, Chewie, and Lando that much more appealing because they could easily up and leave whenever they choose, but they don't and stick around to help of their own volition.
 
I mean Luke and Han were given medals at the end of ANH and at the beginning of Empire they are both Generals.
Hm-mm. Captain Solo is Captain Solo all the way up until after he's rescued from Jabba, and that because he's the owner-operator of an independent vessel. It's an irritating thing that crosses over between civilian and military. The Captain of a commercial freighter is the Captain, even though he's not military. He's working with the Rebellion, but hasn't joined it, even though he's slotted into the T.O.O. pretty handily.

Luke, on the other hand... Well, he's referred to in ESB as "Commander", but that term is almost meaningless in Star Wars, George throws it around so much. Since each snowspeeder had a two-man crew, that one Rogue Group (that Luke was Commander of) was made up of pilots from two starfighter "groups" ("Groups seven and ten will stay behind to fly the speeders."). But in ANH, "group", as it's used during the Battle of Yavin, seems more synonymous with "squadron". In the Echo Base hangar, it looked like maybe a couple dozen pilots mustered around Leia, so that tracks. And, at the end of all this, he's still Red 5. Makes me wonder what Wedge's rank is. *lol* He was with the Rebels before Luke, succeeded to Red Leader, and seemed to be the number-two behind General Lando at the Battle of Endor (see my thing about Gold/Red/Blue ranking precedence running all through Star Wars...).

In the Navy, Commander is Junior to Captain, and Captain is junior to all the flag ranks. But in Star Wars, Commander seems to be a catchall that covers from Lieutenant Colonel up to Brigadier General. Then there's the matter that Commander is a Navy rank, and all the pilots who have had their rank given have had Army ranks, which follows the real-world model. Lando's a General, and a pilot. Han's a General, and a pilot. Merrick's a General, and a pilot. So Luke having a Navy rank makes no sense. The Air Force analogue of the Navy rank Commander is Lieutenant Colonel. Wonder if Wedge, then, would be full-Colonel. He's squadron commander, and Luke is subordinate to him in that arena. Luke is group commander, yes, but of a different force. And after they abandon those speeders on Hoth, is he still group commander? Ugh...
 
My mistake, but the point stands that they were given some form of rank by the beginning of Empire, presumably because of their victory at the end of the last movie. Han is giving orders to other Rebels when he is worried about Luke not reporting in, regardless of whether he is a full fledged member of the Alliance. He's proven himself in battle as an ally to them and as such has garnered their respect. Even the opening crawl of Empire says that the rebels are led by Luke who is referred to as Commander and is also giving orders to other pilots during the snowspeeder battle.

By those indicators I think it's fair to say the Rebellion gives titles (or some form of command) to those who show valor in battle. It may be a simple idea but it gels with what we see in the movies.

Lucas doesn't seem to understand how ranks actually work in the real world but I don't find that to be so egregious that it takes me out of the story unfolding on screen.

I think this is the point in the discussion where the bullies step in to give us all wedgies for being so lame...... ;)
 
Well it's an alien society, their military has no connection to ours so their rank structure can be anything they want it to be.

Battlestar Galactica was even worse, Adama was Commander and his number two guy was a Colonel.
 
Even in things like Call of Duty, military ranks can be implemented incorrectly :) At least in fictional universes, they can blag it a bit more.
 
Stumbled across these today - nothing really groundbreaking is discussed, but still a fun watch:



Watched those yesterday!
The Russo brothers clearly know what they are doing and have finesse in screenwriting,
Which is quite the contrast to Chris Terrio who ruined TROS.

You can see Mark is completely zoned out when the Russos are lecturing about A plot, B plot, act structures, etc :D
 

I encourage people to check out this video by J.W. Rinzler, who was the executive editor at Lucasfilm for 16 years.
Some very interesting inside info on Lucasfilm,
And he talks about negative changes to LFL after Disney acquisition and corporate politics.

He also talks about Brandon Alinger's SW Costumes book.
 
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So I'm reading my Rebel Starfigters Owners Workshop Manual the other day. And I had weird realization. The Y-wing ion cannons are mounted on a turret.
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Wait a second, that could have come in handy.....
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This was later explained away in the Incredible Cross-sections book.
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I find it funny that no one caught this in during. Surely it wouldn't have been hard for the model makers to cut them off?
 
You should probably point out what you mean from the cross section as not everyone will be able to read all that text.

That said, the model makers can't remove something from a model for a reason that didn't' exist until decade or two after the movie was made. I mean, it would have been a crapload easier to say that they had a range of 160 degrees or so (i.e. the pilots field of vision).
 
Or perhaps those weren't guns at all according to the model makers. They could have easily been antenna. Not to mention are the Y-Wings even shown firing a single laser blast?

If there is only one pilot in the ship wouldn't it be really difficult to fire behind them while flying the opposite direction at hundreds of miles an hour?

Isn't it really a matter of explaining away a problem that never existed in the first place?

I find it pretty telling that you seek out insignificant nit picks with the originals that are easily explained away with basic logic but you go to extreme lengths to defend The last Jedi as though it were flawless.
 
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