Joek3rr
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George was dreaming of doing more. At one time it was 12 films.
Lets talk all things Star Wars
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Joek3rr
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And what's so dang funny? Dinosaurs in Star Wars? Already been done.
Or that Star Wars isn't pro-war?
sztriki
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I dunno man, George did say that but I'm just re-reading the Rinzler books that follow the story/script evolution. ANH originally was indeed a lot longer and was cut in half. The Tantive scene would have been somewhere in the middle of the original treatment while the first half was more like the first half of Phantom Menace. Shortened and simplified, yea sure. Enough for a trilogy right off the bat, especially the way how the OT turned out? Wouldn't think so.
For every George Lucas quote there's another one that contradicts it! He's probably the worst historian of his own work.
The tale of what he intended for Star Wars definitely grew in the telling.
On the other hand, we found out what happens when he films his first draft, through the prequels.
vader45
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My point is he planned to make more and had the story outlined. But I didn't say it was fleshed out all from the start. I know a lot came after ANH was released.
Mr Webber
Master Member
I could write out a 200 word essay demonstrating how each point is ridiculously hilarious but you still wouldnt get or accept it, especially the not pro war joke.
They didnt have whiteboards in the 70`s.For every George Lucas quote there's another one that contradicts it! He's probably the worst historian of his own work.
sztriki
Sr Member
Exactly, my point is that the story wasn't outlined. What seems to have been cut from the original treatment for ANH did not really get incorporated to ESB/ROTJ. His narrative suggests that he had the basis for the whole trilogy but the notes and script excerpts say otherwise.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Uh huh
The other day I was thinking to myself you know what Star Wars needs?...more group think.
That white board looks more like a brainsprinkle than a brainstorm.
God help this franchise.
"Arthurian Legends"
Oh you mean a roundtable faction of warriors that live by a moral code sorta like the Jedi KNIGHTS?! Or a nobody who receives a legendary weapon and becomes a hero like I don't know, LUKE SKYWALKER?! How about a Merlin type mentor like say Obi-Wan or Yoda?!
You don't have to wish for it you sweet kids. It's already been done.
I think I've said this before, but I can't tell you how much I hate whoever in the old EU decided that to talk while wearing a Stormtrooper helmet, you would flick a switch with your tongue to turn it on/off. We have mics that activate when you talk, NOW. It's just so stupid! At least Karen Traviss put some thought into how the Republic Commando helmets worked. It make more sense to blink at certain icons to change your display than to tongue kiss a bunch of switches in your helmet!
sztriki
Sr Member
Fixed.
Joek3rr
Master Member
So when a being in Star Wars dies. Their spirit ascends to the Netherworld of the Force. A Force ghost is a person who has been able to return from the Netherworld on their own. Sith are unable to do this. However it is possible for them to prevent their spirit from ascending fo the Netherworld. I'm guessing this is what Palpatine did. I'd guess that this blue energy, is now meant to be Sith Alchemy.
As retconned by The Clone Wars, and Rebels.
As I recall we don't see this happen in TROS. So his spirit is most likely in the Netherworld. But we've seen in the Vader comic, that the Dark Side can open portals into the Netherworld.
So if there's some crazy Sith cultists with Palpatine's DNA, an incredible strong source of the Dark Side, and the knowledge how to do it. Nothing is stopping Palpatine's return. But without one of those 4 things, I'd say he's gone.
Solo4114
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I'm gonna hazard a guess that they didn't think about it all that much, and just kinda threw Palpatine back in because "Wouldn't it be cool if..."
Most of JJ's stuff, I think, is designed with "Rule of Cool" in mind, and you come up with justifications for it afterwards. Or at most, he's thinking about purely what kind of emotional state people will be in after seeing it, rather than "But does it hold up to 5 seconds of critical thinking?"
Most of JJ's stuff, I think, is designed with "Rule of Cool" in mind, and you come up with justifications for it afterwards. Or at most, he's thinking about purely what kind of emotional state people will be in after seeing it, rather than "But does it hold up to 5 seconds of critical thinking?"
Bigdaddy
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After seeing 8 of the 9 numbered films none of this netherworld stuff means anything to me. I know people like to dig up obscure comic book and cartoon moments to explain the poor story telling but the vast majority of general audiences don't have that information. It really exemplifies how sloppily the DSW ST was made.
Joek3rr
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"An old friend has learned the path to immortality. One who has returned from the Netherworld of the Force." - Yoda, Revenge of the Sith
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