Lets talk all things Star Wars

[Joek3rr]

I'm gonna hazard a guess that they didn't think about it all that much, and just kinda threw Palpatine back in because "Wouldn't it be cool if..."

Most of JJ's stuff, I think, is designed with "Rule of Cool" in mind, and you come up with justifications for it afterwards. Or at most, he's thinking about purely what kind of emotional state people will be in after seeing it, rather than "But does it hold up to 5 seconds of critical thinking?"

I'm gonna agree and disagree.

I think they do work out the details of how things work. But JJ seems to have an aversion for exposition. Not that it's a deal breaker for me. But for instance. Ian McDiarmid just revealed that an earlier version of the script had Kylo stating that Palpatine was a clone, and Palpatine retorting with "More than a clone. Less than a man." That one line would have answered most everyone's questions. But JJ cut it. He'd rather be super ambiguous.

 

[Bigdaddy]

"An old friend has learned the path to immortality. One who has returned from the Netherworld of the Force." - Yoda, Revenge of the Sith

That's ONE line from an afterthought film. Casual movie goers don't memorize the scripts, I've probably seen ROTS at least 10 times and didn't recall the wording of that line. Just a throw away meant to show how OT Obi was able to appear to Luke after he died. That was George trying to tie McGregor to Guinness in the audience's mind, I don't think it indicates the complex explanation you posted.

You laid out very specific reasons why Palpatine probably can't come back as though they are actually part of the story. It's clearly a bunch of retconning and I assume your own fan fiction based on one thing Yoda said in ROTS. Nothing wrong with that if it helps you enjoy the story but it's too much extrapolation for me just to explain away poor writing choices.

 

[Joek3rr]

That's ONE line from an afterthought film. Casual movie goers don't memorize the scripts, I've probably seen ROTS at least 10 times and didn't recall the wording of that line. Just a throw away meant to show how OT Obi was able to appear to Luke after he died. That was George trying to tie McGregor to Guinness in the audience's mind, I don't think it indicates the complex explanation you posted.

You laid out very specific reasons why Palpatine probably can't come back as though they are actually part of the story. It's clearly a bunch of retconning and I assume your own fan fiction based on one thing Yoda said in ROTS. Nothing wrong with that if it helps you enjoy the story but it's too much extrapolation for me just to explain away poor writing choices.

As I see it. To understand how Palpatine came back, and why he can't(most likely) come back. You have to understand what happens to people when they die. A serious problem since, with the exception of that one line from ROTS, isn't explained at all. So you have to look to the sources that do talk about. Death and Force ghosts is one thing that George never really explained. With the exception of some episodes of The Clone Wars, and a bit in Rebels.

 

[Axlotl]

...I've probably seen ROTS at least 10 times...

On purpose?

 

[Bigdaddy]

On purpose?

The things we do for our kids!
I was fresh off years of enduring The Wiggles so the prequels were refreshing after that.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

On purpose?

Hey, for a time (when I was trying to convince myself that I didn't just experience a whole new SW trilogy that left me pretty, "meh"), I had ROTS in heavy rotation. Admittedly it's the best of that bunch for me, but as time has gone on, I realize more and more that that's faint praise.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

On purpose?

I liked the Prequels, but that still made me laugh.

 

[Joek3rr]

I really love ROTS. The music is on point. Ian McDiarmid kills it, as always. Ewan's Obi-Wan is awesome. Some of the dialogue isn't half bad. That scene when Anakin yells "I hate you!" Gets me every time.

 

[Laspector]

I found this video this morning. Not sure if it has been posted before. Pretty good.

 

[el toro]

Although you can still see Hayden Christensen mouthing the words “Help me, master..” during that scene before he says “I hate you.”

I really love ROTS. The music is on point. Ian McDiarmid kills it, as always. Ewan's Obi-Wan is awesome. Some of the dialogue isn't half bad. That scene when Anakin yells "I hate you!" Gets me every time.

 

[Joek3rr]

Only by people that don't understand the difference between clones and offspring.

Well technically a child is a clone. A child receives 50% of their DNA from mom, and 50% from dad. In Boba's case he got 100% from his dad, physically he's identical, but he's still his own person. Palpatine's son got an unknown amount of his DNA from his dad as Sith Eternal scientists tinkered with his DNA. So he's still his son.

 

[Bigdaddy]

Well technically a child is a clone. A child receives 50% of their DNA from mom, and 50% from dad. In Boba's case he got 100% from his dad, physically he's identical, but he's still his own person. Palpatine's son got an unknown amount of his DNA from his dad as Sith Eternal scientists tinkered with his DNA. So he's still his son.

Please re-read the post you quoted

 

[JoeG]

I hesitate to post this here because I feel like most will just rip it apart without giving it a chance and seeing it for what it really is. However, in case you're interested in listening to some funny people's reactions on seeing Star Wars movies for the first time, give this podcast a try. I've listened to most of the episodes so far and had a great time.

Headgum // Newcomers: Star Wars, with Lauren Lapkus & Nicole Byer

 

[harrisonp]

I just wanted to pop in and say how much I appreciate The Clone Wars, and Rebels. Much of my SW love lives on through the ancillary material at this point. We’ll see how Project Luminous goes, might end up there amongst the favorites.

 

[JoeG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1239940652470845440

 

[JiminSTLouis]

How many can you get?

The 25 Toughest Star Wars Trivia Questions In Any Galaxy

You might think you're a Star Wars superfan. But do you know this insanely hard trivia?

www.gamespot.com

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

How many can you get?

The 25 Toughest Star Wars Trivia Questions In Any Galaxy

You might think you're a Star Wars superfan. But do you know this insanely hard trivia?

www.gamespot.com

23/25

I couldn't recall the whole production title for SW, and I didn't know the date Life Day is celebrated.

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I got all of them right... from a certain point of view. Or rather, I suppose, they got some wrong -- or at least not entirely right.

Spoiler

• Officially, Han and Greedo shoot almost simultaneously. George tweaked two revisions after his initial Special Edition retcon. But in my opinion, Han shot only.
• The Bothans stole the plans to the Death Star II. What's shown in the article is inconsistent. McQuarrie painting of the attack on the first station, screen grab of the second. It was never specified beyond "Rebel spies" who stole the plans for the original, but was presumed to be humans, later confirmed in Rogue One.
• The original name for the original film when it went into production was "The Star Wars". The answer they gave is one title of the second draft, written during the three-year-long pre-production phase.
• The original commander of the Death Star was Krennic. But even going by ANH, technically Motti was the station's commander -- Tarkin used it as his HQ for his entire territory.
• Largest annual podrace "in the world"... Y'all mean "on Tatooine", but I'll let this one slide.
• I didn't realize people celebrated Life Day, let alone on the seventeenth of November. While that is when the Holiday Special aired, I doubt very much that's the date it happens in the GFFA.
• Technicality: That writing was only on the ESB/ROTJ version of Vader's chestbox. They tend to be good about "originally" and so forth, the broader questions/answers irk a little.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

I got all of them right... from a certain point of view. Or rather, I suppose, they got some wrong -- or at least not entirely right.

Spoiler

• Officially, Han and Greedo shoot almost simultaneously. George tweaked two revisions after his initial Special Edition retcon. But in my opinion, Han shot only.
• The Bothans stole the plans to the Death Star II. What's shown in the article is inconsistent. McQuarrie painting of the attack on the first station, screen grab of the second. It was never specified beyond "Rebel spies" who stole the plans for the original, but was presumed to be humans, later confirmed in Rogue One.
• The original name for the original film when it went into production was "The Star Wars". The answer they gave is one title of the second draft, written during the three-year-long pre-production phase.
• The original commander of the Death Star was Krennic. But even going by ANH, technically Motti was the station's commander -- Tarkin used it as his HQ for his entire territory.
• Largest annual podrace "in the world"... Y'all mean "on Tatooine", but I'll let this one slide.
• I didn't realize people celebrated Life Day, let alone on the seventeenth of November. While that is when the Holiday Special aired, I doubt very much that's the date it happens in the GFFA.
• Technicality: That writing was only on the ESB/ROTJ version of Vader's chestbox. They tend to be good about "originally" and so forth, the broader questions/answers irk a little.

Well, then in that case, I NAILED IT! Geek cred restored.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Oh yeah me too, I got them all right.