Lets talk all things Star Wars

[Mara Jade's Father]

First off, I’d like to say that I think anything that is not in a movie or TV show should not be considered canon. Simply because I am not convinced that the same kind of attention is given to the details. But with that said, I still at times find elements interesting amd thought provoking.

Back around February, news broke about an upcoming storyline in which we would see Luke wield a yellow bladed lightsaber. There has been some other coverage as well. This is after he lost his father’s hilt at cloud city and goes on the search to retrieve it.

Here is some of the first info:

Star Wars: Luke Skywalker Will Wield a Yellow Lightsaber

Luke Skywalker is wielding a new shade of lightsaber in Marvel's ongoing Star Wars series. [...]

comicbook.com

here is the latest on the story I could find:

R2-D2 Resurrects Luke Skywalker Before Return of the Jedi

Luke Skywalker almost didn't make it through the original trilogy!

screenrant.com

As you can see below, the hilt looks similar to the Temple Guard hilts sold at Galaxy’s Edge. So maybe he finds an old temple guard hilt.

There is also speculation that this yellow crystal will be what Rey uses to build her hilt.

On a personal note, I like seeing this image because for the first few years, Luke action figures had yellow lightsabers.

Does anyone else know more of this story other than what is in the articles?

 

[Psab keel]

Yeah anything outside of the movies isn't canon to me either. It's fun and has its place but the severe lack of consistency alone is enough to convince me. Besides, Star Wars started as a cinematic experience and is best as one too.

I am digging the yellow Saber even as you suggested as a passing reference to the toys.

 

[Bigdaddy]

I posted a couple of my kid's new car stickers in the funny pics thread but these were too specific:

She got a command post sticker for my truck window as well.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

IF Luke lost his lightsaber and picked up another, I have no problem. If Disney just decided Luke with a yellow lightsaber would be cool, then no. After seeing two of the sequels, I'm pretty sure we just have a bunch of fans who can now do what they want and no one at Lucasfilm is saying no like they used to. The sequels were full of "wouldn't this be cool?" stuff that Lucas wasn't there to rein them in and say "Cool, but not Star Wars."

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

IF Luke lost his lightsaber and picked up another, I have no problem. If Disney just decided Luke with a yellow lightsaber would be cool, then no. After seeing two of the sequels, I'm pretty sure we just have a bunch of fans who can now do what they want and no one at Lucasfilm is saying no like they used to. The sequels were full of "wouldn't this be cool?" stuff that Lucas wasn't there to rein them in and say "Cool, but not Star Wars."

I'm sorry but none of that really makes any sense. You can go back through plenty of comics, and novels during George's tenure that were complete rubbish. Also, Disney basically just pays the bills and one of this bills is Kathleen Kennedy's paycheck along with other LFL executives. It's their job to make decisions. I have yet to hear anyone within LFL or any leak story saying..."We at LFL wanted to do this... but Disney stopped us?" I am not sure why Disney gets demonized just because they are successful in what they do.

As far as the yellow lightsaber. I don't think it is a sinister plot. They have comic series that needs stories and probably someone came up with an idea to link Rey's yellow lightsaber back to Luke in a way that would answer the question of "where did Rey get a Yellow cyber crystal?" Fans eat the stuff up.

 

[Psab keel]

Funny how that was necessary to explain but how Maz got Luke's saber was glossed over in the movies.

 

[Frogfreak]

Funny how that was necessary to explain but how Maz got Luke's saber was glossed over in the movies.

I know right.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Funny how that was necessary to explain but how Maz got Luke's saber was glossed over in the movies.

I agree. That was a huge let down that it was never address later in the sequel trilogy. It just seemed like such lazy writing. They could, have had Superman show up.

How did Superman get here?
A good question for another time. Now.. up,.. up and away.

 

[ghostryder]

 

[tcsmit29]

Could the yellow lightsaber be a nod back to the first Kenner Luke figure that came with a yellow saber when it was clearly blue in the movie?

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

So the new Mandalorian Season 2 trailer is out. There is already atopic about the series so I don't want to post link but it got me to thinking...

I do not think I would be too upset if another Star Wars movie was released in theaters. Maybe it's that I am tired of waiting 2 years for a movie to be made, for only a two hour pay off. Then repeat again two more times to complete a trilogy. Maybe if you have a one shot story like Rogue One or maybe want to test the waters for a possible future series. But I am at the point right now of how I am more excited about new Star Wars streaming series than I am for theatrical releases. Even if the series might be limited to just one season.

Now I don't know what the limitations are when you talk series vs movie. I don't know how much you can invest in a show and still see a great return on investment. With that said, I think about what if.... they decided to do the Sequel Trilogy as a 10 part limited series. First off, think about the running time. For the entire sequel trilogy including the credits for each movie, the run time was 429 minutes. If you had a 10 episode series with at least 45 minutes each, that would be 450 minutes. Plus, they have stated that Madalorian season 2 is not going to have set run times. Some may run longer and some shorter, but there will be more runtime in Season 2 than in Season 1 (so this season should be higher than 450 minutes runtime. In this way, you could have the time to pay proper time to other characters or story details that are sometimes cut due to flow or time.

The other thing that would have happened is that the story would have had to be developed completely ahead of time rather from movie to movie which seems to be considered one of the major problems with the sequel trilogy. You could still have different director but you would have one overall show runner leading and creating the story.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I'm sorry but none of that really makes any sense. You can go back through plenty of comics, and novels during George's tenure that were complete rubbish. Also, Disney basically just pays the bills and one of this bills is Kathleen Kennedy's paycheck along with other LFL executives. It's their job to make decisions. I have yet to hear anyone within LFL or any leak story saying..."We at LFL wanted to do this... but Disney stopped us?" I am not sure why Disney gets demonized just because they are successful in what they do.

As far as the yellow lightsaber. I don't think it is a sinister plot. They have comic series that needs stories and probably someone came up with an idea to link Rey's yellow lightsaber back to Luke in a way that would answer the question of "where did Rey get a Yellow cyber crystal?" Fans eat the stuff up.

I was referring to the Sequels, not comics. I mean that when Lucas was there he had a cohesive vision for what, to him, was Star Wars. So he stopped things that were bad designs or things that didn't look like SW. The Sequels, where they actually designed something, weren't very SW looking designs. You had a bunch of fans pushing their stuff to be in a SW movie. Before, and we've seen it in behind the scenes docs, or books, Lucas would say "Cool, but not SW." Either that or he's pick parts of one design and combine it with another. That's the reason the Sequels come off as a mess that isn't really one cohesive three part story.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

I was referring to the Sequels, not comics. I mean that when Lucas was there he had a cohesive vision for what, to him, was Star Wars. So he stopped things that were bad designs or things that didn't look like SW. The Sequels, where they actually designed something, weren't very SW looking designs. You had a bunch of fans pushing their stuff to be in a SW movie. Before, and we've seen it in behind the scenes docs, or books, Lucas would say "Cool, but not SW." Either that or he's pick parts of one design and combine it with another. That's the reason the Sequels come off as a mess that isn't really one cohesive three part story.

I will never... ever... EVER understand how they planned a trilogy without some sort of overall story developed. The handing the story off from one director to the next was an accident waiting to happen. I also don't understand the why the director needs to write the movie too. How about writing a great script, then find a director to bring to life. Like The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

 

[cboath]

I will never... ever... EVER understand how they planned a trilogy without some sort of overall story developed. The handing the story off from one director to the next was an accident waiting to happen. I also don't understand the why the director needs to write the movie too. How about writing a great script, then find a director to bring to life. Like The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

I asked that question a good while ago (year? two years ago?) and as i recall, the responses were along the line of 'because the directors want to bring their creation to life' and others saying 'because they wouldn't get a good director otherwise', etc. I don't agree at all, but those were the answers I got before.

 

[Laspector]

Was Star Wars the first SF movie that had absolutely no ties whatsoever to Earth?

Have there been any since?

 

[Solo4114]

I actually think that Lucas was wildly inconsistent from one film to the next in his Star Wars films and the story they were telling. There was a ton of stuff that changed along the way. So, the notion of "HOW COULD THEY MAKE IT UP AS THEY WENT ALONG?!?!?!?!" is nothing new in Star Wars. It's just that people kinda like the original trilogy, and forgive it for its weird changes that end up not making a ton of sense.

Some of them are more minor than others -- e.g. the decision to merge Darth Vader into Luke's "dead" dad as well. That's one of those things that was a lot more fluid at the time, I think, than most people believe. I know there's the whole "Dark Father" thing, but my sense of things from ANH is that it's definitely not a clear decision at the time. You can make it work retroactively, but I think Vader wasn't definitely going to be Luke's father when ANH is made.

The jumps between ESB and ROTJ have also been covered pretty well. Leia merging with Luke's sister or the "other" that Yoda mentions. Not to mention the decision to just wrap everything up in a single film. All of that, we know, was not "originally" planned from the outset. There was a much grander plan that would span yet more films, but George was exhausted and demoralized (from his divorce) and was just ready to move on altogether.

Now, I do think that in this day and age approaching a film series like Star Wars without at least an outline structure of how you're going to get from here to there is...a mistake. And while they could have managed to pull it off....I think the results were somewhat less satisfying than they could have been. To put it mildly.

 

[Psab keel]

Not to mention Lucas had a talented team surrounding him to hone his vision into what became the OT. I mean for all of the changes made it's very clear that there was a central vision, even if there were some inconsistencies or truncated ideas mixed into it. It largely worked so well that it's endured for over four decades with no signs of ever dying off.

That's a different matter entirely than what the ST gave us. Those were the result of fan directors who couldn't agree on a singular vision for the story and with wildly different approaches, all the while never having a true sense of what made the original films work, either by focusing too much on the surface or trying too hard to make it their own and losing sight of its magic in the process.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

I actually think that Lucas was wildly inconsistent from one film to the next in his Star Wars films and the story they were telling.

Agreed. But he had some sort of skeleton structure in place. He knew the story he wanted to tell.

The whole Leia sister thing was not so much because he wanted to change for the sake of story. George had a lot of person problems and pressures and he did not want to have to dedicate the time needed to start a sequel trilogy to continue that part of the story.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Was Star Wars the first SF movie that had absolutely no ties whatsoever to Earth?

Have there been any since?

Well first, you would have to ask if Star Wars is really sci-fi. And it may not be sci-fi for the reason you cited.

One of the more traditional definitions goes like this:

sci·ence fic·tion​

/ˈsīəns ˈˌfikSHən/​

noun​

noun: science fiction; noun: SF; modifier noun: science-fiction​

fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets.
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We know that the future is not involved, because it is a "Long time ago...." But that doesn't mean it can't be sci-fi. So let's look at the second criteria.

The next part is about social and technological change and its effect on society or sometimes stated as the human condition. Since the characters involved in the story are separate from our society. And the technology not the driving story in Star Wars, it simply more of a visual element.

Here is a good read:

Why Star Wars is not science fiction, and related matters…

“Science Fiction is something that could happen – but usually you wouldn’t want it to. Fantasy is something that couldn’t happen, though often you only wish that it could.” – Arthur C C…

simondillonbooks.wordpress.com

Some quotes.

“Science Fiction is something that could happen – but usually you wouldn’t want it to. Fantasy is something that couldn’thappen, though often you only wish that it could.” – Arthur C Clarke.​

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[robn1]

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