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Hey, Murdoc.

What kind of dye are you most interested in? I can throw out some information but each color is pretty specific in its formulation.

To make jet black, as used in the center of this book I did recently:

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You'll have to collect black walnuts. It can take anywhere from 6-9 months depending on your climate for these to ferment. Essentially, you do the following:

1. Place 8-10 whole nuts into a pot, and fill with water so that the nuts are almost covered, but poking out the top of the water level. (Note that you'll never be able to use this pot for cooking ever again.)

2. Bring it to a boil, with the temperature knob just above medium heat. This will steam the color out more than boil it out. Once the water level is reduced 1/4 of its original level, you'll have a little bit of thick, coffee-looking extract. Pour this into a heat-resistant container though a strainer or seive.

3. Refill the pot with water as you did the first time, and repeat this boiling and straining procedure until you have as much dye extracted as you want.

4. Once the extracted liquor cools, pour it into a large jar, and place the walnuts you boiled inside with it. Keep this in a dark, somewhat warm place for several months.

5. You'll have to check on it often to see when it's right. You can tell it's ready when it smells like cheap wine.

6. Strain the solution, and it's ready to go.

7. Collect about three pounds of green juniper tree needles. Look for a tree with reddish bark.

8. Let the needles dry, and burn them into ash. You need three cups of ash.

9. Add the ash to 2 cups boiling water. Let it boil for about 15-20 minutes, and wear eye protection and gloves. This makes a kind of low-grade lye that is caustic.

10. Once the lye is produced, strain it, and the left over liquid solution is the alkali modifier.

11. Add 1/4 cup of this modifier to 1 cup of your dye solution. Use it warm. It will go on gray-ish but in a matter of seconds turn black.

12. To make this lightfast, you'll need to boil bark for several hours to extract the tannin-rich resin. Strain this, then add to the dye solution, or apply it after the dye. You can also add the bark to the walnut solution and simmer it for half an hour.


The steps above for juniper ashes and such apply to all the dyes I make, and I make them in large quantities. I generally do it twice a year so that I have enough on hand.

Alternatively, to make brown, don't let the walnuts ferment as long. Maybe 2-3 weeks.

Cheers!
 
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I can't believe you know all this stuff - it seems so obscure and esoteric. :lol

I suppose that's partly due to people in general being more familiar with their own jobs than others', but making your own vegetable-based leather dyes wholly from scratch doesn't exactly sound like something you can pick up at the local junior college.

BTW, is the the eye of Sauron up there?


-Mike J.
 
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Hey, Mike.

It is a bit odd-ball-ish. I sometimes get funny looks when I talk about it amongst friends who are more involved with programming or other digital mediums. Though I do thoroughly enjoy playing Skyrim for 4 hours at a time. :)

Working with dyes like this is something I've been at for years now. I had the fortune of having a mother who is a master weaver and painter, and a batik artist, and she made all of her own dyes from scratch since I was a wee lad. I distinctly remember her soaking yarn in a pot of fustic chips and sumac on the porch in the house I grew up in.

After I got into bookbinding, I was re-reading some of the old manuals, with particular attention to the sections on coloring leather and paper edges. About three years ago I had a go at it, and I quickly found out that the formulas written in those manuals didn't actually work! Not at all. As if they purposefully left things out. I've found that to be true now.

So, I spent time every day after that researching and experimenting to see what worked. I went through a couple thousand dollars worth of leather just for these experiments. Then I nailed it. At least, I thought I had. I then contacted the only other binder in the world who had done the same thing, presented some of my ingredients and methods, and he basically said, "You did it. Like you, I have also been reaching back into history to recreate this dead art."

From that point on, my life changed forever. It's the most fulfilling thing I've ever done. :)

Speaking of the eye of Sauron, this is a rebinding of an early edition of The Fellowship that I did last year, wholly by request. I told the client that the binding style was completely inappropriate for the time period, but the customer is always right.



(Took that before I had tooled the title.)
 
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Holy cow.... :eek Many thanks for the receipt Flattery. I am sure i will give this a try ;)

The Fellowship book is simply mindblowing. Really, really awesome! Congrats..
you are a true master!

(PS: i've sent you an email :) )
 
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@Murdoc: I haven't seen your email yet. Maybe try again? Nothing in my spam folder so it probably just got lost out there.
 
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Stumbled upon here while browsing the forum, and i have to say i'm impessed, not only with the finished work, but also with the craftsmanship you put into it, keep up the good work :D
 
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Thanks, Xosmi.

Very soon I'll be posting photos of a "new and improved" version that I've been working on for a member here. Stay tuned.
 
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Thanks, Xosmi.

Very soon I'll be posting photos of a "new and improved" version that I've been working on for a member here. Stay tuned.

I'll be sure to keep an eye out, hope to see some more pics of the actual process you go through :)
 
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Very soon I'll be posting photos of a "new and improved" version that I've been working on for a member here. Stay tuned.

"New and improved"...you only can talk about screen-accuracy, correct? ;) :confused
And many thanks for your video you posted above. Love it.

I am looking forward to see more pictures :love :love

Flattery, is it ok to discuss some things about the prop/book itself in your thread (not related to your work in specific)?

For example, while having a closer look on some screenshots, i found some page-titles differing from time to time. So, some pages are titled "Novem Portis" while others are named "Novem Port". Is this due to the fact that they are from different book-versions (Kessler, Balkan, Fargas)? Couldn't find any info. out there.

Anyone can help out?
 
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This really is a thing of beauty dude! One of my personal favourite props from a fav movie too!
 
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All I can say is that I'm deeply impressed and humbled by the quality of this project. Absolutely stunning work!
 
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Mmm, this is definetely a thread I want to follow... This really starts to look like the ultimate nine gates book is in the make ;).
 
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Thanks again, folks -- I appreciate the support.

Here's a little update for those who like the weathered look. This is a copy in progress for a member here. What you're seeing is the forward edge of the textblock screwed up in a hickock lay press after the edges are trimmed.



A couple of years ago I formulated a natural mixture to age the edges of pages to give the illusion that the book was originally bound some time ago. It comes out as a medium tan:



And here's a comparison shot with an actual 17th. Century book:



The real book is darker of course. There's a bunch of dirt and crud on those edges. But under non-direct lighting, they appear nearly identical.
 
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"New and improved"...you only can talk about screen-accuracy, correct?
And many thanks for your video you posted above. Love it.

I am looking forward to see more pictures

Flattery, is it ok to discuss some things about the prop/book itself in your thread (not related to your work in specific)?

For example, while having a closer look on some screenshots, i found some page-titles differing from time to time. So, some pages are titled "Novem Portis" while others are named "Novem Port". Is this due to the fact that they are from different book-versions (Kessler, Balkan, Fargas)? Couldn't find any info. out there.

Hey, Murdoc.

By "new and improved" I mean some screen-accuracy things, but also just improvements to a few features that didn't quite come out the way I wanted them to in my prototype. The coloring for example can be improved, and the pentacle itself was a bit too large. I've located the tools I need to make it the exact size of the prop.

And other things. Staining the edges then burnishing them to give the feel of some age, adjusting the endband colors to be an ivory color (the prop's were glued on white, so the ivory linen sewn band is a great medium between screen accuracy and Venetian practices), and so on.

Feel free to discuss anything related to the book here -- I don't mind one bit. :)

I've noticed the inconsistency in printing. My guess is that they had different people working on the text concurrently prior to binding, but I don't know anything for sure. It takes a long time to print a book by yourself. There's formatting differences between the title pages that I've noticed. The Hero prop had a large sized and centered title plate, whereas the Fargas book (and another copy of the Balkan) had smaller, off-center title plates... then Kessler's copy (in the library) had the smaller title plate but centered. It's all over the place, suggesting that people were working on different copies in siloed settings.
 
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Hi there ;) Many thanks for your reply and detailed information :)

The aging looks really nice. I used, self-made, walnut-ink (made out of the walnut-shells)
to age the edges of my (some of them) book-blocks. Spraying it up with small spray bottle to get some irregulations in it. Depending on how "aged" the pages should apear, i scratch every single page, so that the papers "frazzles" out a little bit, and then spray it up. In addition you can age those areas a little bit more with the inks, where the books usualy gets to be oppend or flipped through.

About the irregulations in printing.. many thanks for your opinion. It has been my "wild-guess" as well, that the books, may have produced by different persons. While the the different title plates and page headline is very courious in my opinion. So i thought there might be a "story behind" that.

Keep going with your work ;) Always love to see more pics of it. Thanks in advance!
 
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Yeah, walnut extract works extremely well. I've used it often. Even just the decocted liquor from the shells is enough without any gum or other additives. A while ago I switched over to boiled chestnuts. It's a light brown but works great as a base coat and is a good choice if you question the pH of the walnut solution.
 
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Wait you said this was a personal project and nothing was for sale
you now are selling books? bit confused
 
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He put a for sale thread in the junkyard. I don't think he ever said he was stopping at his personal copy.
 
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