Serenity Catalyser

I will take the liberty and correct you.

Yes, it does.

Insulting a mod and badgering the RPF, even if it is not on this board itself, is unacceptable behaviour if you wish to remain a member here.

From our Code of Conduct : "Please note that your actions outside the confines of the site may affect your membership"

Highly recommend you drop this and move on.

As I told DFN in our surprisingly cordial PMs, this would be hard to stick. I've modded on a site of similar size and traffic to the RPF. Our jurisdiction, as it were, ended at the Domain name. If someone wanted to go somewhere else and talk trash, good for them. It lets it get it out of their system and hopefully behave themselves here.

And the only way that the mods here would know if someone else were talking about them on another board would be if they were members there... or if someone were reading the stuff there and running back here like a kindergartner looking for a pat on the head.

What's said at another board, unless it's legally actionable, should have no relevance over here. If a mod has such a thin skin that someone talking about him or her somewhere else is a problem, they should rethink whether they want to be a mod or not. I'm speaking from experience on that, and no, it's not a dig at DFN, it's just good advice for anybody who wants to be a mod.
 
As I told DFN in our surprisingly cordial PMs, this would be hard to stick. I've modded on a site of similar size and traffic to the RPF. Our jurisdiction, as it were, ended at the Domain name. If someone wanted to go somewhere else and talk trash, good for them. It lets it get it out of their system and hopefully behave themselves here.

And the only way that the mods here would know if someone else were talking about them on another board would be if they were members there... or if someone were reading the stuff there and running back here like a kindergartner looking for a pat on the head.

What's said at another board, unless it's legally actionable, should have no relevance over here. If a mod has such a thin skin that someone talking about him or her somewhere else is a problem, they should rethink whether they want to be a mod or not. I'm speaking from experience on that, and no, it's not a dig at DFN, it's just good advice for anybody who wants to be a mod.

I am surprised to hear that you would tolerate someone calling you a douchbag (ery), then coming back to your forum like nothing has happened and expect everything to be hunky-dory ?

Or saying that members here can 'frack themselves' and then expect to be made to feel welcomed ?

In my books, it's a simple matter of respect, and that applies to anywhere one is, or where someone says something.

Personally, I am unable to tolerate 'split personality disorders'.

I'll just say that we agree to disagree, and leave it at that.
 
were you the other one flaming stuff!!?
legally or not , I wasnt aiming at that "kindergarden stuff" mate!!
I was aiming at the kindergarden stuff either you or the other guy cheering on to get more help to come TO THIS FORUM and join in the cheap attack to ZK.
THAT IS MY ISSUE!!

then when I get on his back, he tries the :
"Why dont you pm me ?"

and
"Mod,mod , please help!"


where were you and that guy when you had to PM ZK on the other thread???

Its plain and simple , you had no right to attack a member here, for whatever the reasons were , he wasnt going to post, you dont like the sale thread or the price , you look away and you move on.

Further more you or anyone had an issue with it, you should have taken your own advice and PMd ZK first!
 
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My last general 2c : every forum has its own rules which are to be followed.

If you are working somewhere and you speak badly about your boss behind his back and he finds out ... I don't think "But I didn't say anything about you at the workplace !" would hold much water.

If you disagree with any decision your boss takes, no matter how obnoxious you may think it is, take it up with him, in private ...... not post your personal correspondence with him and insult him for all to see .... on an open to the public viewable thread, that has been mentioned here, and is a mere 2 or 3 clicks away for anyone to find in under a minute..

If it is seriously felt that a mod is not the equivalent to a boss on a forum, well, there are some serious internet protocol and basic respect issues that need to be addressed.
 
C'mon guys... can we please keep this discussion calm? Else it will just get locked again.

I believe that the main thing to be learned from this event is that when posting on the forum, we all really need to take an extra moment or two and think over what we are writing before hitting the submit button. When I revealed the info on FFprops it took me the better part of an hour to compose that ONE post, because I wanted it to be clear and not stir up any trouble. When we criticize, we need to be EXTRA careful about what we say because it can (and often will) be misunderstood- especially with a "hot" prop like this. We're always SO quick to bring out the torches (and I'm not completely innocent in that respect either.)


If this had been the initial interest thread posting:

I FOUND IT! The holy grail of Firefly props has been discovered! This baby is on the way to me now:

[INSERT IMAGE WITH BLURRED INFO]

Apologies for blurring out the information- I have learned that the part is pretty hard to obtain, especially in non-working "scrapped" condition. I need to secure a copy for a friend, but as soon as that is done I will let everyone know what the part is called. I hope you all understand and can be patient.

A scrapped piece will cost several hundred dollars and a working one costs lot more according to the technicians I've spoken to! For that reason, I intend to offer casts of the piece (this IS an interest thread after all) for those that can't find the real deal or don't want to spend that much money on them.

I'm estimating the cost being [AMOUNT] for a casting, so chime in here if you're interested and I'll put you on the list.

...I am sure that no one would have gotten angry or felt the same sense of "entitlement". And if one early responder had taken a couple of deep breaths and simply written the following as a reply to the real interest thread as it was first posted:

"ZK, congrats on finding this at last. It's nice of you to offer casts of this, but why did you blur the information? It seems a little unfair to keep the information to yourself since the search has been an ongoing effort for three years where lots of people have helped, as can be seen here:

http://www.therpf.com/f9/so-what-par...d-anyway-3966/

and here:
http://www.fireflyprops.net/viewtopi...1adc7032d94ffc

Since the prop costs so much and is rare, I'm sure lot of people would be interested in castings anyway. Could you please explain?"


... I am sure that ZK would have been in a better mindset to calmly explain his reasons for keeping the info secret.

Does that make any kind of sense or am I nuts?

This whole issue just feels like a heap of misunderstood intentions. Can we not just get back to talking about props and having fun? I've got two projects waiting right now... one of them is a Firefly kit that I know a few folks are waiting on...
 
I am surprised to hear that you would tolerate someone calling you a douchbag (ery), then coming back to your forum like nothing has happened and expect everything to be hunky-dory ?

If someone calls me a name or talks about me on another forum, chances are I won't know about it. Unless someone comes back and says "Hey, did you hear?..."

Which seems to be the case, because in my PMs with DFN, his idea of the things going on weren't exactly what was going on... almost as if someone were being selective in what they told him.

Even so, I honestly don't care. Your opinion of me (and I'm using your in the general sense, not you specifically) is your opinion of me and unless you're in my family or meatworld friends, it carries very little weight. I would hope that my opinion of you would carry similar weight with you.

If you are working somewhere and you speak badly about your boss behind his back and he finds out ... I don't think "But I didn't say anything about you at the workplace !" would hold much water.

If you disagree with any decision your boss takes, no matter how obnoxious you may think it is, take it up with him, in private ...... not post your personal correspondence with him and insult him for all to see .... on an open to the public viewable thread, that has been mentioned here, and is a mere 2 or 3 clicks away for anyone to find in under a minute..

If it is seriously felt that a mod is not the equivalent to a boss on a forum, well, there are some serious internet protocol and basic respect issues that need to be addressed.

Dude... if you think that a website forum moderator should or does have as much authority over you as your real world job boss, you need to take a break from the internet.

In case you missed it, I also mod at a forum. At no point have I ever considered myself "the boss." At most it's like mall security. I enforce site rules. Since I mod in a Politics forum, we tend to take a lighter touch due to discussions being a little... ah, livelier than normal. At no point would we even dream of telling someone that if they talked about us on another forum we would ban them. We have a little thicker skin than some, it would seem.

Its plain and simple , you had no right to attack a member here, for whatever the reasons were , he wasnt going to post, you dont like the sale thread or the price , you look away and you move on.

I don't think I ever flat out attacked ZK. I specifically said in one post I was going to wait for his response before I rushed to judgement. I questioned whether he was being entirely honest with his claim of how much the part cost, sure. And it was completely down to how he handled it. Blocking out the identifying information so we couldn't verify the price came off like he was trying to hoard the information. And it wasn't until Joe found out the information independently and it looked like he might come over and release it that ZK decided to do so. Also? There's a thread over at the FFP site that's 15 pages and 2 years in the making. It's not entirely unlikely that at least some of ZK's research came from that thread. He does seem to be a member, if under a different name. I can't prove it, but things do add up that way. Let's assume that he did get some of his research there... are you still cool with his keeping the ultimate goal of that thread to himself to fuel a few extra sales? And now that Joe has one on the way, ZK isn't going to have a monopoly on these if he decides to offer a casting.

As I told DFN, if he had said "Hey guys, I tracked down the catalyser. It's a really expensive part and I'm thinking of offering castings. The part is a Wangdoodle Industries Flibbertygibbet Part THX-1138 and they run about 400 bucks *if* you can find them. Check it out and if you decide you want one of my totally schweet castings, holla!"

Know what that would have done? People would have started looking them up and saying" Wow... he's right. These things cost a fortune and I best get in on that casting action if I want one for the collection at a reasonable price." They also would have finally had the answer to a question that's been the holy grail for a lot of people. Some of them didn't even want the prop, they just wanted to know what it was because I think I can honestly say we all love to find out these things. The chase and the finding are sometimes their own rewards.

Sure, he might have lost a couple sales from the couple of people who *really* go in for having the metal, realworld part, but he would have avoided the whole flap.

However, in the interests of peace, if I have misspoke myself and come across as harsher than I intended to, I do apologise to all whom I may have offended. I will bury my hatchet and from where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.
 
Goodwolf, that 15 page thread was 4 pgs until the day i posted the interest thread going by date. I am not nor have i ever been a member at FFP. I was sent a link to it for parts for my Mals pistol by someone here. Don't remember who as the PM was deleted. I did check it after everyone started to crap in the interest thread. You don't need to be a member to read what is there. With the exception of endobuilders i don't post or really visit specialized sites.
 
If someone calls me a name or talks about me on another forum, chances are I won't know about it. Unless someone comes back and says "Hey, did you hear?..."

That is so irrelevant. My point is that you condoned foul-mouthing outside your forum, and then having those members come to your forum expecting everything to be hunky-dory and it would be water off your back.

Unless you are a Vulcan, I find that very hard to believe.

Which seems to be the case, because in my PMs with DFN, his idea of the things going on weren't exactly what was going on... almost as if someone were being selective in what they told him.

If you think that DFN based whatever he did on mere gossip, without looking at the thread itself on the FFP, boy, you sure underestimate our mods here, and in particular DFN's character.

As I told DFN in our surprisingly cordial PMs,

Why use the word surprisingly ? What, were you expecting him to insult you or get bitchy just because they were PM's ? As I said, you unfortunately seem to know very little about DFN.


Even so, I honestly don't care. Your opinion of me (and I'm using your in the general sense, not you specifically) is your opinion of me and unless you're in my family or meatworld friends, it carries very little weight. I would hope that my opinion of you would carry similar weight with you.

If you are indeed a mod on a forum, those opinions you seem to care so little about are the very ones that would create a decent level of respect between you and the forum’s members.

Dude... if you think that a website forum moderator should or does have as much authority over you as your real world job boss, you need to take a break from the internet.

I have no real world boss. But I do understand respect, and with all due of that to you, seemingly more than you do.

That is the problem nowadays. Many people treat respect on the internet very differently from real life. Which is wrong, and is exactly the opposite of what I do. I treat them as one and the same. What you see of me here, how I act, what I say and what I do, and especially how I react, is exactly what you get in real life of me.

It was just an analogy about a level of mutual respect. If that is broken, you get fired. On a forum, you get banned. So in you books, besides the insults, its also OK to have your private messages made public elsewhere ? I see you conveniently failed to comment on that, both as a ‘normal’ person, and as a mod yourself.

A warning here and the situation that arose is not a bannable ‘offense’. A warning is simply an indication that a rule has been broken and to please not act in a similar fashion in the future. SNK seems to have taken it way above what the situation warranted.

And I am the one who should take a break from the internet ?

Gimme a break dude.


In case you missed it, I also mod at a forum. At no point have I ever considered myself "the boss." At most it's like mall security. I enforce site rules. Since I mod in a Politics forum, we tend to take a lighter touch due to discussions being a little... ah, livelier than normal. At no point would we even dream of telling someone that if they talked about us on another forum we would ban them. We have a little thicker skin than some, it would seem.

Maybe a better analogy. Granted. Still, it is not wise to foul-mouth the cop or the mall itself, is it ? If you don’t like the mall, the cop, or the people that go there ….. don’t go ! So simple.

Also, this is not the forum you moderate. You seeming to think you can make a comparison with that may be the root of our disagreement. Different rules, and apparently stemming from that, very different views about what respect means.

Thick skin has got absolutely nothing to do with this.

If anyone is so displeased about this board, its mods and its members, then they should just leave.

Oh wait, as SNK said over at FFP, he doesn’t want to be permanently banned from here, so foulmouthing over at FFP is cool.

Great – I want to play in your yard but I won’t respect you or follow your rules.

Hypocrisy at its very best.
 
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Come to think of it goodwolf, I feel I should explain some things to you that may shed some light on some of things I say.

I live on an island, and if I fart at home, they can measure it down to the last micro-decibel at the other end of the country.

We have very hot-headed arguments about petty things all the time. It's a way of life for us.

Think Asterix and Obelix Village down to the last T, sprinkled with some good old-fashioned Mediterranean hot-bloodedness.

It has its advantages and its disadvantages.

I am enjoying retirement, and I love movies and props. It occupies well over half of my day (Stress on half. I actually do do other things, and even breath outside air every day :lol). However, it's not just fantasy discussions on the internet, as it of course also translates into physical creativity and tangible items I own.

There is not one single other person I know of in my whole country that has this hobby.

I don't go to cons because there are none, can't meet with friends who share the same passion, because there are none, etc etc.

So you see, this forum is indeed an extension of my life, and the best part is, I feel right at home with the odd bickering, in-house arguments etc that crop up every now and then.

I look out of my window and see the same thing :lol

And like in my real life, I get extremely annoyed when someone insults or disrespects my home, my family or my friends, and I will come down on them like a ton of bricks and a limpet.

I am not pretending, fantasising or am leading a second or double-life here.

It is truly a part of what and who I am. So why would I act any differently here ?

If this were a physical club, or I could pick up the phone and share my passion with others, I would be at the premises for hours on end every day. Bingo, bowling, pottery, archery, shooting, props, what's the difference.

To me, that, or coming here, is exactly the same thing.

So in answer to a question of "Doesn't this dick have anything better to do than props and blabbering on in this forum ?", my answer is ...... no :lol .... and actually, I am doing exactly what I want to do with my life and enjoying every minute of it.

I also have a couple of missing screws and a few misfiring neurons. But perhaps that explains why I am so passionate about what are toys at the end of the day, and reinforces why I feel so bonded with this place :lol
 
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Getting back to the topic at hand...

Here's the photo sent to me by WCH of my very own nothin' part. Will hopefully be making its way to me in the next few days. :)
 
Here's the photo sent to me by WCH of my very own nothin' part. Will hopefully be making its way to me in the next few days. :)

Congrats Joe !

My only fear is that after all this hoo-ha and the serenity series and movie on their way to me, I'll probably be joining the club and beg you and Glen to cast this asap soon :lol
 
Thanks AC. :)

I'll almost certainly not be casting this. It's not that I wouldn't want to... but I'm in Sweden whereas Glen is in the US. Resin is cheaper, shipping is cheaper, casting material is cheaper. (Also... I don't yet have any kind of proper workshop space in my current apartment, and this part will need a fairly large mold.) Someone in the US could get these out the door for 150-ish bucks... if i were to do it from here you'd have to add another hundred to that cost.. plus horrendous shipping since these things are likely to weigh a bunch if cast solid.

Right now I'm concentrating on finishing up a couple of kits (one Prometheus and one Firefly) for 3D printing on Shapeways. They have good shipping options and when you order prints the parts come out exactly as they were modeled... perfectly straight angles... no toxic resin cleanup.. no mold lines or wonky uncured resin... just assemble and paint. (Well worth the slight extra cost over casting in my view.)

Once my valve arrives I'll be trying to accurize it to the screen used a bit. Gonna need that top copper piece and the black connector. (Maybe I'll smear some fake blood on it for ultimate accuracy haha.)
 
...(Maybe I'll smear some fake blood on it for ultimate accuracy haha.)

... and with that teaser, I'll be wanting one for sure now :lol

It will be very interesting to see how this comes together with the correct connectors etc. Please do keep us posted :) :thumbsup
 
I've modded on a site of similar size and traffic to the RPF. Our jurisdiction, as it were, ended at the Domain name. If someone wanted to go somewhere else and talk trash, good for them. It lets it get it out of their system and hopefully behave themselves here.

And the only way that the mods here would know if someone else were talking about them on another board would be if they were members there... or if someone were reading the stuff there and running back here like a kindergartner looking for a pat on the head.

What's said at another board, unless it's legally actionable, should have no relevance over here. If a mod has such a thin skin that someone talking about him or her somewhere else is a problem, they should rethink whether they want to be a mod or not. I'm speaking from experience on that, and no, it's not a dig at DFN, it's just good advice for anybody who wants to be a mod.

Good wolf, you are certainly entitled to this approach on the site you moderate and you are also entitled to your opinion. However, for the sake of clarity, the staff of the RPF do not share your view or approach on such matters. For more than two years we have taken the stance that your actions outside the confines of this domain CAN affect your membership here. This would include and especially apply to anyone who enjoys the many opportunities a membership at the RPF offers yet finds it acceptable to make comments elsewhere on the Internet that could serve to harm the reputation of the site. It simply comes down to the concept of biting the hand that feeds. If a member wants to make efforts to damage the site's reputation, that member shouldn't expect to be welcome here. You can agree or disagree with this approach, but it is the approach we have taken for a couple of years now and the approach we will continue to take in the future.
 
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