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I've never heard. I did seem to remember hearing something about the helmet making all the Stormtroopers sound flat or neutral, but that still wouldn't kill someone's accent. The old EU said that most of the people with a posh British accent are supposed to be from Coruscant or core worlds, which tend to be more affluent. It's also affected by politicians, which is why at the beginning of ANH Leia was using a very bad accent and then Padme when she spoke to the Senate in TPM.
 
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Obi-Wan's starfighter looked very different at one time.
 
I was only made aware of this today. Never heard or seen it before.

Before the infamous 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special, there was this 1977 Bob Hope All Star Christmas Special with Mark Hamill (and Olivia Newton John). It is CRINGINGLY bad. I mean tough to sit through levels of cheese, one liners, and canned laughter. Lots of social and political commentary heavy jokes that... if you weren't alive at the time.. probably fly over your head. But for its time, this is what TV network entertainment specials looked (and sounded) like.

Mark is in 2 spots: the first is at 21:50 (I've cued it up) with Hope that segueways into a Vaudeville routine, and the second immediately follows with a Star Wars knock off skit, where Luke shows up at the end (wearing his Tatooine clothing and Death Star stormtrooper utility belt, comlink and trooper holster but no saber that I can see).

Oh, and the Muppets make a cameo in the middle of the show.

 
...and not to be outdone, Donnie and Marie had their Star Wars show as well. I saw this live back in the day. Can you guess who the stormtroopers turn out to be?

And while I don't know WHO is in the original ANH (touring?) Vader suit, it's none other than Tony The Tiger and Haunted Mansion legend, Thurl Ravenscroft, doing Vader's voice!

 
I was only made aware of this today. Never heard or seen it before.

Before the infamous 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special, there was this 1977 Bob Hope All Star Christmas Special with Mark Hamill (and Olivia Newton John). It is CRINGINGLY bad. I mean tough to sit through levels of cheese, one liners, and canned laughter. Lots of social and political commentary heavy jokes that... if you weren't alive at the time.. probably fly over your head. But for its time, this is what TV network entertainment specials looked (and sounded) like.

Mark is in 2 spots: the first is at 21:50 (I've cued it up) with Hope that segueways into a Vaudeville routine, and the second immediately follows with a Star Wars knock off skit, where Luke shows up at the end (wearing his Tatooine clothing and Death Star stormtrooper utility belt, comlink and trooper holster but no saber that I can see).

Oh, and the Muppets make a cameo in the middle of the show.

I'm so glad humor has evolved. This is unbearable.
 
It reminds you how far back ANH really was. George Lucas was brewing it up a couple years after the Moon landings. Guys were still getting drafted to Vietnam. Elvis and the Beatles were all still alive.


That kind of conversational TV comedy tends to age like crap.

Watch some quick-n-dirty stuff from the early 2000s. It's already losing ground.
 
I was only made aware of this today. Never heard or seen it before.

Before the infamous 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special, there was this 1977 Bob Hope All Star Christmas Special with Mark Hamill (and Olivia Newton John). It is CRINGINGLY bad. I mean tough to sit through levels of cheese, one liners, and canned laughter. Lots of social and political commentary heavy jokes that... if you weren't alive at the time.. probably fly over your head. But for its time, this is what TV network entertainment specials looked (and sounded) like.

Mark is in 2 spots: the first is at 21:50 (I've cued it up) with Hope that segueways into a Vaudeville routine, and the second immediately follows with a Star Wars knock off skit, where Luke shows up at the end (wearing his Tatooine clothing and Death Star stormtrooper utility belt, comlink and trooper holster but no saber that I can see).

Oh, and the Muppets make a cameo in the middle of the show.

Thanks for that, that seems to be from a master, it's the best copy I've ever seen. I used to trade SW-related stuff on VHS, and I've only ever seen it as Nth-generation off-air recordings.
 
I'm so glad humor has evolved. This is unbearable.
Comedy writers had it easy in the 70s. They'd extrude out the worst crud and off it went on the air, and another gig was waiting. Bruce Vilanch, while a fun guy, was one of the worst offenders. This show has no writing credits (Bob made it all up on the spot, donchaknow), but I'm sure he was in the room.
 
A lot of it was just the public's different sense of humor 40-50 years ago.

Look at modern humor - the amount of "randomness" is off the charts these days. This isn't historically normal. It's a big hit today but I doubt people in the 2060s will be impressed by it.
 
There is always some comedy that ages well in any era. But a lot of it doesn't.

I've seen modern young people watch SW/ANH and giggle at the exchanges between C-3PO and R2-D2's. That's comedy from the 1970s.
 
So, I just watched that episode myself

I have never seen C-3PO ("Watch it hardware" LOL!) nor R2-D2 looking so shiny before. It's obviosuly AD, but is it also KB?

Also, this is post Mark's accident, right? I can't really see any facial difference from EP4?

It's obvious from this Muppet episode that he early on was a very talented voice actor, but I also think Mark is a very good (comedian) actor to boot

He really should have had a much better acting career post SW. He is quite good, imho and no slouch compared to HF at this point (1980)

Imagine MH in a serious 1980 Kubrick movie? I think he could have carried it rather well
 
So, I just watched that episode myself

I have never seen C-3PO ("Watch it hardware" LOL!) nor R2-D2 looking so shiny before. It's obviosuly AD, but is it also KB?

Also, this is post Mark's accident, right? I can't really see any facial difference from EP4?

It's obvious from this Muppet episode that he early on was a very talented voice actor, but I also think Mark is a very good (comedian) actor to boot

He really should have had a much better acting career post SW. He is quite good, imho and no slouch compared to HF at this point (1980)

Imagine MH in a serious 1980 Kubrick movie? I think he could have carried it rather well
I think the problem with Mark (and an issue with current ST actors and current MCU actors) is that the actors are so iconic as their Star Wars/Marvel character that people have a hard time seeing them as another character.

Even if Mark tried to play a romantic lead or villain, we the audience would see Luke Skywalker trying to date someone or being a bad guy.

Luckily, Hamil is also an amazing voice actor.
 
So, I just watched that episode myself

I have never seen C-3PO ("Watch it hardware" LOL!) nor R2-D2 looking so shiny before. It's obviosuly AD, but is it also KB?

Also, this is post Mark's accident, right? I can't really see any facial difference from EP4?

It's obvious from this Muppet episode that he early on was a very talented voice actor, but I also think Mark is a very good (comedian) actor to boot

He really should have had a much better acting career post SW. He is quite good, imho and no slouch compared to HF at this point (1980)

Imagine MH in a serious 1980 Kubrick movie? I think he could have carried it rather well
Mark is great in the Muppet Show, and even did very well with terrible material in the Bob Hope special.
Mark's new nose is smaller, that's the giveaway.
R2 was just the RC one on MS, no KB. (That's a lot of initials!)
 
So, I just watched that episode myself

I have never seen C-3PO ("Watch it hardware" LOL!) nor R2-D2 looking so shiny before. It's obviosuly AD, but is it also KB?

Also, this is post Mark's accident, right? I can't really see any facial difference from EP4?

It's obvious from this Muppet episode that he early on was a very talented voice actor, but I also think Mark is a very good (comedian) actor to boot

He really should have had a much better acting career post SW. He is quite good, imho and no slouch compared to HF at this point (1980)

Imagine MH in a serious 1980 Kubrick movie? I think he could have carried it rather well

His accident was shortly after Star Wars. He was fully (outwardly) healed well before they started shooting Empire. The story that the wampa attack was written in to hide his scars is fabrication. And the Muppet Show episode was proximal to Empire's release, so even further after the accident. I've seen it said -- as above -- that his post-reconstruction nose is smaller, but I never saw it, myself (the difference, not his nose).

I know he did a lot of stage stuff. One of the things that's always bugged me about some of the actors I like is how much of their work I'll never see because it was theatrical and, for the most part, no one filmed it. But Mark was the Trickster for the original Flash series (a role he reprised in the new one), and it seems folks at DC thought he did such a good job with that that they gave him the Joker in the animated Batman series, which kept him busy for some years. I don't know that he ever wanted to be a STAR™ -- just a working actor, and that he has been. Love him in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. Love him in Kingsman.

As for Harrison... I have always felt kinda bad for him. He's so shy and liked the way he could put the role between him and people. Made it hard to get work, early on. He was working as a cabinetmaker when he got the part in Star Wars (he was re-doing George's kitchen, and George asked him to read Han's part when testing actors for Luke). He sorta stumbled backwards into his stardom and, I feel, never really knew what to do with it. I ran into him once walking down the sidewalk in New York. Crowded, slow-moving. I saw him, in his little granny glasses, did a double-take and looked again. He saw me recognize him and I saw the panic in his face. We drew abreast and I just quietly said, "Not gonna make a scene. Love your work." He mumbled, "Uh... thanks!" and that was that. I think he would've been happier if he hadn't gotten such massive worldwide acclaim in the '80s.

What you're saying about typecasting, though... After Star Trek, Shatner could not find work. Everyone thought he was rich from Star Trek and too recognizable as Kirk, so they just kept passing on him. The permanent tinnitus he had from the mortar explosion while filming "Arena" didn't help. His first marriage ended, and by the time Neil and Buzz landed on the moon, he was living in a truck-bed camper (without the truck) in a friend's driveway, watching the landing on a 6" black-and-white TV. He almost killed himself during that low point.

I feel like there should be some sort of outplacement service for actors who get identified so strongly with a particular role, so they can transition when the show or film series ends.
 
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