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I do not know the exact answer, but my guess would be that who ever modeled the X-wing probably used some off the shelf toy, or random model found at ILM that wasn't correct. A lot of the guys working on all these films might be fans and all, but they aren't like a lot of the guys here who know all these ships, models and props to heart. To them, it looks good enough, but to a X-wing expert, no. Theres also lack of time and always in a rush on these type films as well.
To me what stands out the most from this one shot, and I know its one that George was very adamant about having that 180 degree camera rotation, but the lighting looks off and really makes all the ships have a flat feeling.
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I was actually wondering, and couldn't find a solid answer on google. The power generator on hoth, was it an actual model built for the film, or just part of a matte painting, or a mix of both?
I tried to find every shot I could of it, and really, its hard to tell, but I am thinking model....but at the same time, some of the paintings were done quite well. Like long shots of Cloud City, thats all got to be just paintings.
So what I DID find off websites, were these two pics. Although, this painting doesn't look like it does in the final movie. Maybe concept art? Although, mountains look too detailed for just concept.
Then there is this ONE picture of a model on a behind the scenes website...but I'm still not sure its an official ILM model from the movie, or just fan made. Most everything on the internet for this generator is fan made stuff, but usually you can clearly tell. This is one of the few that matches in details. Was just wondering, so if anyone actually knows, that would be good to find out, and if there are more pictures.
I tried to find every shot I could of it, and really, its hard to tell, but I am thinking model....but at the same time, some of the paintings were done quite well. Like long shots of Cloud City, thats all got to be just paintings.
So what I DID find off websites, were these two pics. Although, this painting doesn't look like it does in the final movie. Maybe concept art? Although, mountains look too detailed for just concept.
Then there is this ONE picture of a model on a behind the scenes website...but I'm still not sure its an official ILM model from the movie, or just fan made. Most everything on the internet for this generator is fan made stuff, but usually you can clearly tell. This is one of the few that matches in details. Was just wondering, so if anyone actually knows, that would be good to find out, and if there are more pictures.
Joek3rr
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The shot through the targeting computer looks like the model. But I suspect it was a matte painting. The big explosion is poorly composited. Looks like an FX shot over a matte. If it was model, couldn't they just blow that up?
That is true, of course they didn't blow up every single model, like the death stars.
But I've yet to find any paintings that are accurate to the film. That would be interesting to find. Need to keep looking.
The Hoth power generator looks like a pretty quick/easy model to build. Yet they blew it up with a rough-looking composite. And even in the most detailed shots it still doesn't look all that straight/symmetrical (try holding a ruler up to the center axle) . I'm guessing that thing only existed as matte paintings.
I would have to go look through my books, but I swear I've seen a model that looks just like the matte painting. I don't know if it was a concept model or if it was actually filmed though.
Somerset
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Old thread here discussing this, but they come to no conclusion. To summarise, apparently there's a picture of a model in Chronicles and Sculpting a Galaxy, but they don't match what's on screen. Someone chimes in saying they think they were vac-formed models, but nothing to back that up.
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I think they're referring to one of the thumbnails on this page, but without a copy of the book I can't make out which one:
Any photos of the Hoth Shield Gen or Besbin buildings?
Adywan (the guy doing the Revisited SW DVD edits) is looking for actual photos of the Hoth Shield Generator and Bespin buldings. I looked through my books and all I could find was the small shot of the generator in Chronicles. Are there any other good pictures out there? Thanks.
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I think they're referring to one of the thumbnails on this page, but without a copy of the book I can't make out which one:
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Riceball
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Watching Tales of the Jedi a couple of questions came to mind while watching it.
One, that ship that we see used constantly throughout the series, the one with the rotating wings. What purpose are those rotating wings supposed to serve, more specifically, what purpose does rotating them serve? I get that they need to rotate to allow them to land, but why rotate them at all, it seems to me that it would make the ship far cheaper, quicker, and easier to produce (and not to mention maintain) if they were just fixed in the horizontal position and didn't rotate.
Second question is, what is it that we always see flowing out from the bottom of ships right next to the boarding ramps? Is that steam? If so, why also if so, I'm guessing it's not very hot steam since it doesn't seem to ever both anybody.
One, that ship that we see used constantly throughout the series, the one with the rotating wings. What purpose are those rotating wings supposed to serve, more specifically, what purpose does rotating them serve? I get that they need to rotate to allow them to land, but why rotate them at all, it seems to me that it would make the ship far cheaper, quicker, and easier to produce (and not to mention maintain) if they were just fixed in the horizontal position and didn't rotate.
Second question is, what is it that we always see flowing out from the bottom of ships right next to the boarding ramps? Is that steam? If so, why also if so, I'm guessing it's not very hot steam since it doesn't seem to ever both anybody.
First point: The big rotating wings aren't needed for any of the shuttles in the OT and PT (and, I think, are wasted in the ST -- Kylo's shuttle, for instance, should have had way more wing rotation to fit precedent), and an even bigger risk in combat craft like Mandalorian starfighters, B-Wings, and V-19s. If an actuator is damaged in combat, the fighter won't even be able to land properly. My takeaway is that, like repulsorlift tech, however those rotational systems are built is so robust and failure-free it's used decoratively rather than for pure function. Like spinners.
Second point: Space is cold, but in-system, GFFA ships would have the same problem reflecting or dissipating unfiltered stellar radiation (and, consequently, heat) as our spacecraft. We do remarkably low-tech stuff like slow spinning to allow one side to cool, rather than always being warmed. I imagine they've got better thermal-regulation tech, and certainly a better grasp of cryogenics. I'd take to be venting of cooling systems once the ship is in atmosphere, with all of the radiation-blocking and positive pressure that provides.
I've seen people suggest it's hot steam, from a cooling system for the main engines -- like a venting radiator cap on a car, but that doesn't track with what we observe.
Second point: Space is cold, but in-system, GFFA ships would have the same problem reflecting or dissipating unfiltered stellar radiation (and, consequently, heat) as our spacecraft. We do remarkably low-tech stuff like slow spinning to allow one side to cool, rather than always being warmed. I imagine they've got better thermal-regulation tech, and certainly a better grasp of cryogenics. I'd take to be venting of cooling systems once the ship is in atmosphere, with all of the radiation-blocking and positive pressure that provides.
I've seen people suggest it's hot steam, from a cooling system for the main engines -- like a venting radiator cap on a car, but that doesn't track with what we observe.
Here trying to sleep, which has been a mess lately....and then remembered something that I had forgotten. As of now, but two days ago, that its been TEN YEARS SINCE DISNEY BOUGHT STAR WARS.
That just seems crazy its already been thst long.
That just seems crazy its already been thst long.
Riceball
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Here's another oddball sort of question. Why do Clonetroopers, with the exception of the Bad Batch, all sound like Jango Fett? Sure, they used his DNA as a template to clone from, but since when are accents genetic? All things considered, none of them should have that Kiwi accent since none of them were either raised by Jango or on the same planet as Jango. The Kaminoans(sp?) don't have a Kiwi accent, so where does the accent come from? Was all of their audio learning material recorded by Jango, did their creators speak to them using their best imitation of Jango's accent?
Lightning
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Perhaps there is some kind of brain engram impressioning involved, to help transfer Jango's combat skills, and the accent is a side effect.
Riceball
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That's possible, but at the same time, that's suggesting that accents are somehow genetic and inheritable, which, in the real world, they are not. While the Star Wars verse is different from the real world, I don't think that accents in the Star Wars verse are any more genetic based than they are in ours.
Solo4114
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Because we didn't want to pay for more ADR actors and maybe Tem can't do accents.
Joek3rr
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Jango was involved in training, at least in the EU. And many of mercenaries hired to train were Mandalorian as well. So it's possible that's how they picked up their accents. Though it raises the question of why the members of Delta Squad all sound different?
Lightning
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I wasn't suggesting it was genetic. Your accent is stored in your brain, just like memories and instincts are. If they are artificially implanting anything in the brain the accent might get transferred along with it. Look up Foreign Accent Syndrome, a real condition where brain injuries cause people's accents to change.
Well, since the voice actor was doing a bad Australian accent, rather than Tem's actual New Zealand accent, I like to say Paul Hogan played a trainer heavily involved in all the clones' early education and his accent stuck.
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