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MattWinchell
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Gotcha!
Jagjaguwar
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Really though, I do. I think it’s good to read or hear from people who we may not agree with. Not so much to influence whether I like something or not, but it’s just cool to get new perspective on things.
Axlotl
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I'm both of those things, so I really, REALLY dislike him.
ScourgiousJinx
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I guess I don't understand why anyone would post that they liked or disliked something in an online public forum if they weren't able or willing to discuss said opinion. Like what you like and vice versa but if you aren't willing to talk about your opinion or easily get offended that others disagree, posting it in a public forum seems like an odd move. But I agree that no one has to justify anything.
Jagjaguwar
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Maybe I was a little unclear. Yes, it’s probably a bad idea to post anything whatsoever on the internet if you’re easily offended, hahah. What I was talking about had more to do with being able to discuss these things without the discussion dividing people into the sort of polar opposite camps that the sequels brought us: where one group liked the films and so they would dutifully consume whatever crap Disney shoveled their way, while the other group hated everything that came after the “real” movies, the OT, and knew that the sequels were all a plot by Disney to destroy the legacy of Star Wars once and for all. Something like that.
I don’t think most people fall into either camp entirely, I certainly don’t (there are some things I liked about the sequels, but many, many more things that bother me in varying degrees, beginning with the story arc.) But there are some things I’m more interested in discussing than others, and so since I haven’t discussed many of the things I hated about the sequels, people here probably assume I fall into the first of those camps. The quoted paragraph of the original post makes more sense when tied into the paragraph that follows it, I guess.
Now that it’s written I’m not actually sure this makes any more sense than what I wrote initially, but I’ll blame that on a lack of coffee.
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They just don't make enough to meet demand. It's ridiculous. That's why they go for insane prices on the secondary market. Then they make everything an exclusive which further exacerbates the problem. Which is why I find their subscription based crowd funding to be downright insulting to their customers. A multi million dollar company suddenly doesn't have enough capital to do product development or to determine interest? That's bull. Total bull. They have the capital to afford to do it and they keep raising their prices all the time. You can't explain away those increases as inflation alone.
harrisonp
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That makes sense, and is disheartening (though my wife and my wallet are thankful lol). I’m waffling on trying to collect the Power of the Force stuff because it’s what I grew up with but I just honestly don’t love the figures that much beyond the nostalgia factor. As far as the new stuff goes I haven’t bought a figure in probably over 15 years. I miss my Hasbro figures that I stupidly gave away as a teenager, I had everyone you could imagine
I can't even remember the last new SW collectible I bought. It was probably around 2010 or so. I'm digging those new 1/2 scale Legends in 3 Dimensions SW busts though. I like the X-Wing Luke and TIE Pilot. I might try to pick up one of those Black Series helmets because I can actually afford those!
Sadly Hasbro isn't the only company that's done this kind of thing. Far too many have followed suit and it's such a shame because collectors are having to pay insane prices on the secondary market to complete their collections. Most recently the MOTU Origins line, which is an exceptionally well made toy line, has also suffered horrible distribution as well. I paid way more than I should have for my figures but the only way to complete my collection was to go to ebay and the secondary collector markets to acquire them. They were pricey to begin with, but that's just the way these things work now if you're a toy collector.
The 1995 Power of the Force line only recently started going up in price on Ebay and the like. I haven't seen the prices on those go up since they were first available at retail. I sold all of mine off in 2001 for pennies. Though there are several factors there that are likely contributing to their increase in value. First, many of the people collecting them now are trying to rebuild their childhood collections assuming they're a younger generation than me who had these as kids. I collected them as an awkward teenager who missed out on the Kenner toys despite being born in the early 80s. Second I think the lack of availability of modern Star Wars Hasbro figures has forced collectors to look to other lines that are more readily available and there was a deluge of product from that line that no one could get rid of a few years ago. Third I think the ridiculous pricing of the original Kenner line, even loose, as well as the pricing of modern Star Wars merchandise means you have to take out a second mortgage on your house to afford to collect what you like.
So what are the most viable options for consumers? You can pay an arm to collect the modern stuff. You can pay a leg to collect the vintage stuff. Or you can go on ebay and spend a reasonable price and get a whole line, or just get your childhood favorites, all without going broke.
Honestly the modern pricing is just only going to keep climbing and I think it's going to get to a point where it just won't be sustainable. That goes for the collectors just as much as it does for the company.
The 1995 Power of the Force line only recently started going up in price on Ebay and the like. I haven't seen the prices on those go up since they were first available at retail. I sold all of mine off in 2001 for pennies. Though there are several factors there that are likely contributing to their increase in value. First, many of the people collecting them now are trying to rebuild their childhood collections assuming they're a younger generation than me who had these as kids. I collected them as an awkward teenager who missed out on the Kenner toys despite being born in the early 80s. Second I think the lack of availability of modern Star Wars Hasbro figures has forced collectors to look to other lines that are more readily available and there was a deluge of product from that line that no one could get rid of a few years ago. Third I think the ridiculous pricing of the original Kenner line, even loose, as well as the pricing of modern Star Wars merchandise means you have to take out a second mortgage on your house to afford to collect what you like.
So what are the most viable options for consumers? You can pay an arm to collect the modern stuff. You can pay a leg to collect the vintage stuff. Or you can go on ebay and spend a reasonable price and get a whole line, or just get your childhood favorites, all without going broke.
Honestly the modern pricing is just only going to keep climbing and I think it's going to get to a point where it just won't be sustainable. That goes for the collectors just as much as it does for the company.
jkno
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WTH?
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Why the Term 'JEDI' Is Problematic for Describing Programs That Promote Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion
They’re meant to be heroes within the Star Wars universe, but the Jedi are inappropriate symbols for justice work
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I give upWTH?
Why the Term 'JEDI' Is Problematic for Describing Programs That Promote Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion
They’re meant to be heroes within the Star Wars universe, but the Jedi are inappropriate symbols for justice work
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This is why identity politics have no place in Star Wars and trying to incorporate fictional symbols to equate seamlessly with real world issues is misguided at best. There will be inherent parallels but they aren't mean to be, and were never meant to be, symbols that would match precisely with real world counterparts in every single instance. That's why the interpretations of these movies have been so broad and why different people will read differently from the story. You can’t even seriously make the argument that these stories were meant to be seamlessly allegorical either because even from that perspective they’re inconsistent and contradictory at best when in context to that style of fiction. Attempting to make that leap is jumping blindly into crazed conspiracy level thinking that borders on insanity. We mock that type of thinking in most areas of the real world but when bringing it into the realm of fiction and weaponizing it with politics is underhanded on a level so low that even dirt looks on it with distain.
Likewise I've always been against things like trying to make the Jedi an official religion too. It's taking fiction into territories it simply doesn't belong. Plus to my thinking it's an attempt to fill a spiritual void in people's lives that needs addressing. If your worldview is only informed by pop culture alone then I'd say you really need to think long and hard about what you truly value because that's a shaky foundation on which to base your life. The reason is because it's fickle and will change depending on the prevailing narrative of the culture rather than your own personal convictions. It's religion without devotion and morality without commitment. If you spend your life never taking a stance on any issue you're going to have a very, very hard life.
Pop culture is certainly an influence on actual culture itself but I think there is a threshold you just can't cross if you want your pop culture to remain relevant and meaningful in the context it's supposed to serve. I think it stems from the root of the same problem with fan demand for excess content. Star Wars, to many, is religion with no strings attached and when you demand the same things from fiction that you would get from a deep seated worldview, no matter what that perspective is, you only undermine the escapism fiction is supposed to provide and you'll always be empty if you're chasing it for total meaning.
Likewise I've always been against things like trying to make the Jedi an official religion too. It's taking fiction into territories it simply doesn't belong. Plus to my thinking it's an attempt to fill a spiritual void in people's lives that needs addressing. If your worldview is only informed by pop culture alone then I'd say you really need to think long and hard about what you truly value because that's a shaky foundation on which to base your life. The reason is because it's fickle and will change depending on the prevailing narrative of the culture rather than your own personal convictions. It's religion without devotion and morality without commitment. If you spend your life never taking a stance on any issue you're going to have a very, very hard life.
Pop culture is certainly an influence on actual culture itself but I think there is a threshold you just can't cross if you want your pop culture to remain relevant and meaningful in the context it's supposed to serve. I think it stems from the root of the same problem with fan demand for excess content. Star Wars, to many, is religion with no strings attached and when you demand the same things from fiction that you would get from a deep seated worldview, no matter what that perspective is, you only undermine the escapism fiction is supposed to provide and you'll always be empty if you're chasing it for total meaning.
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