Joek3rr
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About there perfect reuse of the theme. Luke has come full circle and now does what his master wanted him too do.
Such as?
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CT1138
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Ehhh, it was weird because leitmotifs are typically reserved for people, not actions. I personally would have chosen The Force Theme for that particular moment.
Axlotl
Master Member
Didn't everybody?
Joek3rr
Master Member
I wouldn't call that an action scene.
And leitmotifs are very frequently used for action.
Yoda's leitmotif is used as Luke runs through the corridors of Cloud City. A foreboding of Yoda's warning?
The attack on the Darth Star gets frequent uses of the Obi-Wan/Force leitmotif.
The TIE Fighter attack uses the Rebel fanfare. Luke's leitmotif is used for action, when Luke does something heroic.
The second use of Qui-Gon's leitmotif is used while he duels Darth Maul on Tatooine.
CT1138
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I didn't say action scene, I said "action" as in "using the Force to lift an X-Wing."
Though, I suppose you're correct in that second part, mostly because use of the Force is often accompanied by the Force Theme.
You know, I'd never noticed.
At the same time, I would argue that Obi-Wan does not actually have a definitive leitmotif, and is usually covered by the Force Theme. Luke's theme is difficult to pinpoint, because it can be argued that both The Force Theme and the Star Wars Theme have been used for Luke's theme. It's used a few times during the Death Star attack for Luke's theme, and a few times in ESB, including the first time we see Luke on screen. The fact that Luke using the Force to lift the X-Wing could be used so readily with the Force Theme would further justify its use in this scene over Yoda's Theme.
Also, I don't hear the Rebel fanfare in TIE Fighter Attack. What part of the music is using it?
I mean, it would make sense to use Qui-Gons theme when Qui-Gon is dueling.
Joek3rr
Master Member
It's the other way around. John wrote the theme for Obi-Wan, first. And he used for the Force. (I can't recommend enough The Soundtrack Show. And will always shamelessly plug it at any time
) The Force ThemeIt's not difficult to pinpoint. John specifically wrote the Main Title as Luke's theme. "When I thought of a theme for Luke and his adventures, I composed a melody that reflected the brassy, bold, masculine, and noble qualities I saw in the character."
Of this was because Luke was the main character of Star Wars. Before changing it into the family drama of the Skywalker saga. Since then it's taken on a different role. Star Wars Main Title
Well, uh, it's the fanfare part....lol Maybe this will help. File:Rebel Fanfare.MID - Wikipedia
CT1138
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I've always associated that as purely the TIE Fighter Attack theme, though now that I think on it, it does get used for the Rebel Alliance as a whole often enough.
Lightning
Master Member
The most obvious is when they play Luke & Leia's theme when Lando meets the lady stormtrooper. It was used properly in TLJ when Luke and Leia see each other again.
They used it for Lando because she was supposed to be his long lost daughter, converting the theme into "family reunited". Which is A: a massive stretch, and B: pointless since they completely dropped that subplot.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Themes representing multiple ideas or being recontextualized is not a new thing in Star Wars.
Obi-Wan's theme is also the Force theme.
Luke's theme/Main Title has Ben recontextualized as being the Main Title for the whole of Star Wars as well as becoming a theme for heroism, action, and adventure. It's prominently heard while Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan fight off droids in TPM, and as apart of "Scherzo for X-wings" in TFA.
Darth Vader's theme is also the Imperial March. It's played for Imperial forces, Star Destroyers, the clone army, even Palpatine fighting Yoda.
The March of the Droids from TPM, is repurposed as the march of the clones in AOTC. Hinting at the same driving force behind them.
sztriki
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Not surprised by that at all, I bet many people did.
Lol!!
Joek3rr
Master Member
You know I was a kid at the time. I thought it was the coolest thing ever. Though I wouldn't get to watch it until all three were out on DVD, the marketing alone, had a huge impact on me. And I was in love with them waaaay before I ever saw them.
Lightning
Master Member
Yes it can and has been done, but it doesn't mean it was a good idea in this case.
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Joek3rr
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You know, Revenge of the Sith is good .... But there's something about The Phantom Menace, that the other two films just don't have. It's pure unadulterated George Lucas for better or worse.
sztriki
Sr Member
Not surprised by that at all either...
Snarkiness aside I really wanted to like it as a kid, bought the sticker album, posters, etc but it just felt OFF even back then. That being said I maintain it's actually more enjoyable than the other two.
Ugh...not gonna start it but good is hardly a word I'd use. Regarding TPM it benefits from the fact that it looks like a movie, most of it was filmed on sets and on location and doesn't look like a cutscene from Command and Conquer where every environment is CG/bluescreen. The colour-timing is kinda unique too compared to the others.
harrisonp
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TPM still feels like Star Wars, and I agree it’s because it looked so much “like a movie”. There’s so much STUFF on screen in the other two that just doesn’t feel real. The actors look totally lost.
I think AOTC is the worst prequel overall, but I think ROTS is worse for how often it gets called the best. All of the stilted acting is present in that one, topped with some rushed world building for the movies to come and some really boilerplate EVIL! writing for Anakin’s fall.
I think AOTC is the worst prequel overall, but I think ROTS is worse for how often it gets called the best. All of the stilted acting is present in that one, topped with some rushed world building for the movies to come and some really boilerplate EVIL! writing for Anakin’s fall.
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