Lets talk all things Star Wars
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Or at the least retitle it to Further defense of the ST. At least it would be more accurate.
No need buddy!
The truth is now official, legal, & fully on the record...
Judge Rules Star Wars: The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker Are Mediocre and Schlocky
Judge Kenneth K. Lee called Disney's Star Wars sequels mediocre and schlocky in a recent legal ruling.
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ScourgiousJinx
Master Member
It's been great for A LOT of laughs though! Besides, there's some real progress...people are finally seeing through the "untruths" and falsehoods of anti ST dogma. How could they not with such overwhelmingly objective fact presented ?
Joek3rr
Master Member
Lol, thats good
ghostryder
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This thread serves no other purpose than to falsely bait OT fans into entering a thread that consists of a flood of deliberate and call it what it is—trolling—commentary designed to elicit a vomit-inducing reaction.
Anyone who comes to this thread expecting to really discuss “All Things Star Wars” is sorely mistaken.
The other way to shut it down is to choose not to take the clickbait, when it is offered, and to abandon the thread, as a community.
I’m out.
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HeartBlade
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Honestly third the motion. Ive tried several times to also discuss something star wars related that has nothing to do with the ST such as the future of star wars or speculation unrelated to the ST and get drawn back into the asinine debate of the merits of the ST and if anything was planned of which there is none.
the proposed topic is disingeneous (lets discuss star wars in general) because this thread is basically still oh the ST and Tian Johnson in particular is amazing and anyone who disagrees doesnt know anything.
HeartBlade
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Seriously this response is ridiculous and a regurgitation of what you said before with no new evidence.
A plan means you at least have an idea of a beginning, middle, and end with a basic events of what will happen of which we have no evidence Lucasfilm had. Nevermind the fact that episode 7 already veers off significantly from Ardnt’s plan which was to have Han Solo reconcile with Leia and not die. Pretty big change given the fact that Han is a major character. And when you make a major change to a plan, that also affects other things down the line and therefore your plan is essentially useless unless you have another plan.
RJ literally says he got to see only what Abrams had and had free reign to discuss and write the story from there. He even states he was wary of working on star wars because he expected guidelines that limited his freedom but there literally was none. I also honestly dont get this “he is a team player” sentiment when he has no real option to be a team player. He doesnt know where the movie is going or where it ends, nor does he need to because he isnt paid to write episode 9. There is no evidence of a episode 9 treatment from RJ either so I really dont understand this sentiment.
Hell, Rian Johnson states “there was no plan for Rise of Skywalker and if there was, he wasnt privy to it”. You would think the director for the middle part of a franchise that needs to set up the dominos to fall in the conclusion in the third movie should be aware of plan so he can build those characters toward them. You trust Rian. Listen to him.
Funny the stills you pick out tell a different story. Rey training with a ton of laser droids (never happened), seeming to be actually getting a lesson from Luke and succeeding based on the slight smile as Luke watches, and Rey discovering the x-wing as a means to understand why Luke exiled himself. Dont remember any of these storylines in TLJ. The stills are just images, the storylines are important and notably dropped.
Oh and lets forget the fact that the MCU initially had the Marvel Creative Committee to guide the MCU and directors often clashed with since they gave notes to edit things throughout production and made the key decisions when deciding how to steer the MCU. Or that the MCU even now has a parliament where directors need to submit their scripts for review. Or that Marvel has a history of directors quitting due to creative differences. Or that even if Marvel has different directors for different characters, the directors tend to stick with one character throughout their series and thus likely has an idea of how they want to develop their characters. Or even the fact that these character trilogies are still self-contained stories with a beginning/middle/end and are not long-run narrative films like Star Wars or Lord of the Rings where the audience is expected to watch all three movies to understand the story (you can watch and understand Ironman 3 without seeing 1 or 2. You cant understand RotJ or RotS without seeing the previous 2).
It would be unfair to compare the ST to Lord of the Rings (film planning and prep done right) because Jackson already had a 2 film script done before even getting the project off the ground, the new deal with New Line allowing him to make 3 films and thus adding more stuff.
then again, its pointless to discuss the demerits of the ST to ending this discussion and closing this thread is fine by me.
CT1138
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Not from a Moderator...
Darth Lars
Master Member
Let's just all agree that the sequel trilogy is like the "Temple of Doom" of the Star Wars franchise — it does not exist — and move on.
harrisonp
Sr Member
I actually almost typed that in my first response. Last Crusade kind of feels like the ROTJ of the Indy franchiseI actually like Temple of Doom more than The Last Crusade!
I love Last Crusade myself, but I feel that it was the 'SOLO' of the franchise.
It was neat that we saw the origin of almost EVERYTHING that made Indy iconic, but it was neat because it really hadn't been done before. Now instead of a 10 minute opening sequence, we get a trilogy of 2 hr movies.
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