Lets talk all things Star Wars

[Mara Jade's Father]

It's hard for people to wrap their heads around outright contradictions if they are too glaring or if crucial information is missing from the script.

And my argument is that what these fans call contradictions and/or missing information is strictly in their head. They would not call them such if they were open to the reasons or information in stead of being stubborn and calling it silly or lazy.

As a fan, I accept the story even if I don’t like it. If something doesn’t make sense, I either try to figure out why it makes sense or accept that it makes sense and I just don’t have all the information at this point. There is a lot of things that happen here on Earth that defy reason but they happen. Just because I don’t understand how or why, doesn’t mean it’s stupid or that some ultimate being/ creator/ god/ force is just being lazy.

 

[Psab keel]

As a fan, I accept the story even if I don’t like it. If something doesn’t make sense, I either try to figure out why it makes sense or accept that it makes sense and I just don’t have all the information at this point.

So I ask, do you like every movie that you see? Or do you use the basic rules of fiction to measure the effectiveness of whether a story was told well or whether it was told poorly? Because I think we can all agree that some movies are truly great and others are awful.

I accept that there are 11 Star Wars films. It's a fact. I don't like most of them, but it doesn't change the fact that they exist. I'm just interested in what worked and what didn't based on what I know about fiction writing. I can see some bad in good movies, just like I can see good in bad movies but by and large I usually categorize them as one or the other.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

So I ask, do you like every movie that you see? Or do you use the basic rules of fiction to measure the effectiveness of whether a story was told well or whether it was told poorly? Because I think we can all agree that some movies are truly great and others are awful.

I accept that there are 11 Star Wars films. It's a fact. I don't like most of it, but it doesn't change the fact that they exist. I'm just interested in what worked and what didn't based on what I know about fiction writing. I can see some bad in good movies, just like I can see good in bad movies but by and large I usually categorize them as one or the other overall.

I say the best way to explain it is that I like all 12 movies... I count Clone Wars too. I just like some more than others. But in some cases like Revenge of the Sith is lower on the list. Not because I have a problem with the story. It’s just so heartbreaking a story. It’s the same reason I don’t care for most post apocalyptic films or why I never watched Blackhawk Down. Oddly enough, even though most people die, I really enjoy Rogue One. Probably because it is basically the end is the start of something good. AOTC is low on the list. Once again, not because of the story. I have problem with the way Hayden is directed to play Anakin. I think if David Filoni did an animated shot for shot remake of the movie and he had the the way Anakin was portrayed in the CW series doing those scenes, I would buy the relation between him and Padmé more. But as a fan, even though I don’t see what she finds appealing about Anakin, I accept the fact that she does see something even if I don’t. But just to be fair, The Phantom Menace is actually on the upper half of my list. Didn’t want to make it seem ai was picking on the Prequels.

 

[Psab keel]

I like elements of all the Star Wars material. In the case of the OT I love almost everything about them. From the PT I thought there were some interesting story concepts (though the stories were meh for me), incredible costumes (I've been fortunate to see some of them in person), PHENOMENAL music, great casting, and production design. I also have respect for George who helped innovate technology to further the art of film. I loved the Vader scenes and space battles of Rogue One as well as the production design really feeling like the original film. I loved Kylo Ren's costume in TFA and the casting, as well as a few musical themes from John Williams new score and like the PT, the costumes were pretty great. I love Luke's Acho-To hermit costume and though I despise that film, Mark Hamill really gave it his all and I admire him so much as an actor. I never saw Solo, The Rise of Skywalker, Clone Wars, Rebels, or the Mandalorian.

As corny as it may be, I enjoyed that Holiday Special cartoon with Boba Fett, though I couldn't bear to watch anything else from it without turning it off pretty quickly. I really love the quirky and sort of trippy look of the Nelvana animation. I've been wanting to revisit Droids and Ewoks.

 

[Darth Lars]

We saw x-wings in A New Hope and then a-wings in Return of the Jedi. Therefore a lot of fans made the assumption that a-wings were newer than x-wings. When Rebels showed a-wings being used, they freaked. But it just a matter of what fans saw first.

The A-wing had been newer than X-wings in the EU, and according to StarWars.com's Databank.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

The A-wing had been newer than X-wings in the EU, and according to StarWars.com's Databank.

Let me clarify. Some fans believed the A-Wings were very new as in, not existing prior to A New Hope.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Even reading the EU I always was under the impression that the X-Wings might have been in service first, but the A-Wings were around, they just weren't plentiful yet. Not to mention, unless Lucas contradicted it, in the OT we were only seeing one cell of the Alliance that Leia hung around with. We weren't seeing all the Rebels. If that was all of them, there's absolutely zero chance they could have won the war. For example the ESB script calls the medical frigate and associated ships we see at the end as the "Rebel Fleet". Well that most certainly was not the entire Rebel fleet. Rogue One shows that as well. It was just the fleet they could put together for what was going on in the movie.

 

[CT1138]

Even reading the EU I always was under the impression that the X-Wings might have been in service first, but the A-Wings were around, they just weren't plentiful yet. Not to mention, unless Lucas contradicted it, in the OT we were only seeing one cell of the Alliance that Leia hung around with. We weren't seeing all the Rebels. If that was all of them, there's absolutely zero chance they could have won the war. For example the ESB script calls the medical frigate and associated ships we see at the end as the "Rebel Fleet". Well that most certainly was not the entire Rebel fleet. Rogue One shows that as well. It was just the fleet they could put together for what was going on in the movie.

Even in RotJ, Mon Mothma clearly says that the Rebel Alliance is using a divide and conquer technique to spread the Empire's resources thin so that they'll be distracted when the cell we see in RotJ strikes at Palpatine and the Second Death Star. The fleet we see in RotJ wasn't even the entire Alliance. It was just it's leading cell.

 

[Darth Lars]

Let me clarify. Some fans believed the A-Wings were very new as in, not existing prior to A New Hope.

I'm sorry. It was me who was unclear. While there may have been fans who believed that A-wings were new in the universe after the battle of Yavin because they first appeared in ROTJ, there were other fans who had read in the EU and on StarWars.com's Databank (the original) that the A-wing had been developed by the Rebel Alliance after the battle of Yavin.
In the latter case, old fans who had read the EU or the old databank could still have a reason to get annoyed with seeing them in Rebels.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I'm sorry. It was me who was unclear. While there may have been fans who believed that A-wings were new in the universe after the battle of Yavin because they first appeared in ROTJ, there were other fans who had read in the EU and on StarWars.com's Databank (the original) that the A-wing had been developed by the Rebel Alliance after the battle of Yavin.
In the latter case, old fans who had read the EU or the old databank could still have a reason to get annoyed with seeing them in Rebels.

Yeah, but most of us also knew, and Lucasfilm told people, that at any time Lucas could come along and overwrite or ignore any of the EU stuff. Now, in 2020, and after seeing the Sequels (well two of them), in my head canon that rule no longer applies.

 

[cboath]

You could also consider that laser sword could be a proper name and not slang. There are probably other forms of energy bladed weapons similar to lightsabers and they are all considered under the category of laser swords. Is Han wrong for calling his weapon a blaster and not referring to it as it’s proper name DL 44?

It'd be like people calling their glocks, my 'projectile launcher'.

 

[cboath]

I'm sorry. It was me who was unclear. While there may have been fans who believed that A-wings were new in the universe after the battle of Yavin because they first appeared in ROTJ, there were other fans who had read in the EU and on StarWars.com's Databank (the original) that the A-wing had been developed by the Rebel Alliance after the battle of Yavin.
In the latter case, old fans who had read the EU or the old databank could still have a reason to get annoyed with seeing them in Rebels.

Except that stuff wasn't created until well after ROTJ. Even if came from the RPG folks, doesn't really count as that stuff got adopted well after the fact. The X-Wing game added a few things to the mix as well and that game all occurred before the attack on the DS.

 

[RedheadKevin]

It'd be like people calling their glocks, my 'projectile launcher'.

Or it could be like police calling a semi-automatic pistol a "service revolver."

 

[cboath]

Or it could be like police calling a semi-automatic pistol a "service revolver."

That's an actual technical term. No one calls them service revolvers because the don't know any better.

Even more to the point. Outside of a dumb laser sword reference or two throughout all the movies, does anyone even use the word laser?

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

They should be called "Pew Projectors".

I have a question for anyone from the OT generation. Do you remember as a kid playing SW and ever fake using the Force? I was just thinking today that even though I loved Luke as a kid, I don't think I roleplayed using the Force. I think the only real example we had was Luke using it to get his lightsaber and Obi-Wan using a mind trick. I just can't remember. I ask because I was driving down the street and saw a group of kids, maybe 7-10yo. with toy lightsabers and they were Force throwing the hell out of something. It's neat seeing kids out playing SW 43 years after SW came out. I also think it shows the difference between OT kids and the ones who grew up with all the movies, TCW, and Rebels with more examples of Force usage.

 

[Ron]

That's an actual technical term. No one calls them service revolvers because the don't know any better.

Even more to the point. Outside of a dumb laser sword reference or two throughout all the movies, does anyone even use the word laser?

Right after the assault begins on the first Death Star, an officer reports to Vader about the smaller rebel ships "evading our turbo lasers."

They should be called "Pew Projectors".

I have a question for anyone from the OT generation. Do you remember as a kid playing SW and ever fake using the Force?

Yeah when I'd be dueling, somebody else would be off to the side to throw me a lightsaber so I could "force catch it"

 

[Psab keel]

Yeah when I was a kid I would "use the Force" for telekinesis and to be able to jump higher and sometimes do flips. But mostly because I wanted you be proficient with a lightsaber.

 

[harrisonp]

When I was a kid post OT but pre PT I watched ANH the most out of all the movies (had it on VHS from a TV recording) and the part of Star Wars I played most was “Luke sad in the desert with a droid” . The Force powers became prominent in play once I got into games like Jedi Academy and after seeing the prequels. Did have one friend who always like to use Jedi mind trick as a get out of jail free card for every situation.

 

[CT1138]

They should be called "Pew Projectors".

I have a question for anyone from the OT generation. Do you remember as a kid playing SW and ever fake using the Force? I was just thinking today that even though I loved Luke as a kid, I don't think I roleplayed using the Force. I think the only real example we had was Luke using it to get his lightsaber and Obi-Wan using a mind trick. I just can't remember. I ask because I was driving down the street and saw a group of kids, maybe 7-10yo. with toy lightsabers and they were Force throwing the hell out of something. It's neat seeing kids out playing SW 43 years after SW came out. I also think it shows the difference between OT kids and the ones who grew up with all the movies, TCW, and Rebels with more examples of Force usage.

I grew UP with the PT, but remember a time before it, and I do remember when we fought with broomstick handles, we'd sometimes pretend the "lightsaber" got tossed away and pretend to use the Force to recall it like Luke did in ESB.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

It'd be like people calling their glocks, my 'projectile launcher'.

No. I would be like someone calling their Glock a...

• pistol
• sidearm
• firearm
• shortgun
• semi automatic

....which they do.