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[DARTH ANIBAL]

Re: The chase. The problem is not that it was a slow-speed chase. The problem was that it was a high-speed chase without referents. Once they realized they were being tracked through hyperspace, they should've jumped to a protostar with a still-accreting planetary disc full of a lot of debris and radiation. Wouldve made for a more exciting chase all round, and they couldve used a different ticking clock -- time to cross the planetary disc rather than running put of gas.

But bonus points if one or another of the smaller ships did exhaust their fuel from red-lining the engines and fall behind to get blasted by the First Order or chewed up by debris.

Re: Lightsabers. The "core" is microscopically thin, per evidence in the OT. It's a standing plasma arc, distorted out from the hilt by something like the electron gun in the back of an old TV, "spinning" by having the arc handed off at superconducting speeds to the next node pair in sequence around the emitter aperture. The arc is electromagnetically collimated to near-one-dimensionality.

Spinning that fast means you have a cutting edge no matter which way you swing it. It also means, because it's effectively spinning at near-lightspeed, that it's throwing off large amounts of virtual photons. By their nature they're very transitory and have a rapid "decay" rate. So the blade is intensely bright at the center and the brightness falls off asymptotically as you move away from it. That's why they don't light up a room, again as seen in the OT.

The color comes from rate of spin affecting the virtual photons that hang around longer. Angular momentum blah blah blah. A more highly-tuned blade spinning closer to lightspeed will have its peripheral wavelength blue-shifted. A less highly tuned blade, such as made from inferior materials or without access to the proper tools, will be red-shifted.

Everything about this post is awesome.

 

[Potroclo]

It’s entirely possible. Most of what I am doing is speculative anyhow. Maybe for this actor, his head was too big and the headset with helmet did not work. They could have just removed the side component an jammed it between the liner and the shell, maybe add little tape for security.

I really should have started this conversation back on an older thread that I started. If you go to it, you will find some links and images showing the insides of actual screen used helmets. There is no standard for the liners. Some look to have partial pads, some look to have a type of helmet liner. I am sure that a lot of it has to do with the reusing of the shells from one movie to the next and some just being for background characters. Probably some needed repairs from on to the other. Also, I tend to think that for both scenes, the liners were removed and the skull caps worn. Luke’s liner/ ear cups look to change from movie to movie.

Question about Earpads in X-Wing style pilot helmets

For the longest time, when people were building X-Wing helmets, they made them with black earpads (when they did add earpads). Even the mini Riddel helmet of the late 90s used black. Then the first time I remember seeing a helmet with tan was the eFx version. Since then, tan has been the...

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The point I am driving at is that based on the helmet liner and how and what it actually is. It may determine how they put comm unit under the helmet. I could even argue that Gold Leader still might be wearing a headset but the liner is made in such a way it allows the cord and mic to be threaded between the shell and partial liner.

Like I said, all speculation.

Costumes person: "We forgot the earpiece"
Makeup person: "Well, we can't take the helmet off now"
Actor: "It's ok, I can stick it in here"
Everyone on set: "good 'nuff"
...months later
People on the RPF:

 

[d_jedi1]

George Lucas, in response to what he saw as rising authoritarianism made the Rebels the heroes of his story.

And the hero's journey. It may seem like a completely fictional construct. But even that holds its origin in the real world. For in its simplest purest form the hero's journey, is story of growing up. Going from childhood to adulthood. "But then this can be seen also in the simple initiation ritual, where a child has to give up his childhood and become an adult, has to die, you might say, to his infantile personality and psyche and come back as a self-responsible adult." - Joseph Campbell

I apologize for trimming this down as I have BUT With ANH, it was little more than a remake of "The Hidden Fortress" with elements from "Flash Gordon" and WWII dogfights.
And I'm not saying that's a BAD thing...
The Hero's Journey was something that Lucas didn't really toy with/explore until Empire.. no matter how he might have tried to revise it in years since.

 

[Joek3rr]

 

[BipeFlyer]

This just came up in my YouTube feed. Interviews with Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill and Harris Ford just after the release of Star Wars by Canadian interviewer Brian Linehan.

Mark talks about his upcoming film, Stingray, which I think must have been Corvette Summer. Remember that one?

 

[d_jedi1]

Yeah, that's Corvette Summer.
There was another film which came out in 78' that JUST beat it to the punch and called itself "Stingray".
THAT film is actually on youtube and has largely been forgotten.. outside of people from my hometown (where it was filmed)

 

[Joek3rr]

So a couple of weeks ago I watched ROTS again, on my journey to The Rise of Skywalker. I've been meaning to share some things that jump out at me.

So firstly, I know that some people don't like that ST is kinda like a continuation of the GCW, with Stormtroopers, Rebels, etc. But funnily enough, it's kinda set up by Palpatine. He tells Anakin "We must move quickly. The Jedi are relentless. If they are not all destroyed, it will be civil war without end." Kinda what we are seeing.

Then something else that jumped out at me.
When Anakin is regretting killing Dooku, Palpatine says "He was too dangerous to be kept alive." Later in the opera, Palpatine tells Anakin that the Jedi and the Sith are alike in almost every way. Something that Anakin strongly disagrees with. Yet when Mace Windu has cornered Palpatine he says, "He's too dangerous to be left alive." It's interesting that a Jedi Master and a Sith Lord have some of the notions.

And for everyone's enjoyment. A piece of the film's score. It might just be the most epic pieces written for any Star War film.

 

[Psab keel]

The music was the best part of that trilogy. Hands down. The film's I don't care for but that music is simply epic in scope!

 

[ThreadSketch]

And for everyone's enjoyment. A piece of the film's score. It might just be the most epic pieces written for any Star War film.

Now that you mention the ROTS score, I'll be forever bitter that some of my favorite renditions of the Force theme were left out of the official soundtrack. Bless this channel, honestly.

Ughhhhh, that second one...so upbeat, stirring, and gorgeous.

(Was also ultra-salty they didn't include the freaking war drums from the opening. You had one job, album!!)

 

[Joek3rr]

Now that you mention the ROTS score, I'll be forever bitter that some of my favorite renditions of the Force theme were left out of the official soundtrack. Bless this channel, honestly.

Ughhhhh, that second one...so upbeat, stirring, and gorgeous.

(Was also ultra-salty they didn't include the freaking war drums from the opening. You had one job, album!!)

OH MY GOSH!!!!!! He uploaded the film mix of "Good Bye Old Friend"!!!!!!!

Yeah, the official albums stink. I don't bother with them anymore.

 

[DARTH ANIBAL]

(Was also ultra-salty they didn't include the freaking war drums from the opening. You had one job, album!!)

Absolutely. So much better with that lead-in.

 

[Joek3rr]

So I have a friend and he has VR. And I got to go through the first episode of Vader Immortal. Talk about an experience. The moment Vader walks up to you, and here you are standing face to face with Darth Vader! Wow! And equally cool, you can unlock lightsaber hilts to use. My friend just unlocked Qui-Gon’s. I can't wait to look at it, I'm hoping that they scanned or at least got to take some high res pictures of the prop. Which means this is close as some will get to being able to examine some of the props from archive!

 

[BipeFlyer]

Here's another Brian Linehan interview with Carrie. She's so friendly, welcoming, intelligent and confident without being arrogant. She seems so down to earth for the movie star daughter of movie stars. Maybe I still see her from the perspective of a child in a movie theater over 40 years ago, but there was something special about her.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I watched part of AOTC today and I have to say that I think Padme was enabling Anakin. First she ends up being totally fine with him breaking Jedi rules, then he kills the Sand People and she says "Oh it's human to be angry.", then when she wants to go rescue Obi Wan he says "I have my orders" and she ignores that to. So she's partly why he went to the Dark SIde!

 

[BipeFlyer]

I watched part of AOTC today and I have to say that I think Padme was enabling Anakin. First she ends up being totally fine with him breaking Jedi rules, then he kills the Sand People and she says "Oh it's human to be angry.", then when she wants to go rescue Obi Wan he says "I have my orders" and she ignores that to. So she's partly why he went to the Dark SIde!

I always knew that PadEVEme tricked ADAMkin into feeding her the space pear. LOL

 

[Joek3rr]

I watched part of AOTC today and I have to say that I think Padme was enabling Anakin. First she ends up being totally fine with him breaking Jedi rules, then he kills the Sand People and she says "Oh it's human to be angry.", then when she wants to go rescue Obi Wan he says "I have my orders" and she ignores that to. So she's partly why he went to the Dark SIde!

I always find it interesting that, while Padmé is the catalyst for Anakin's fall. Yet at the same time she's the only one who could have prevented his fall. That scene between Vader and Padmé on Mustafar, Vader no longer has those yellow/orange eyes as he talks to her. When Padmé tells him. "All is want is your love." To which Anakin replies with. "Love won't save you. Only my new power will save you." Yet in cruel irony, it's his new power that ends up killing her. Literally Anakin's love of Padmé causes his fall, but his love of Padmé could have saved him, and her.

We see something similar play out with Luke. In that, it's his love for his father that wants to redeem him. But at the same time. It's his love for his sister that has him trying to kill his father.

 

[Joek3rr]

Apologies for going off topic. But I have a couple of photos that are just to cool not to share. And I guess since George drew some inspiration from WW2 for Star Wars, it's not completely off topic



So every once in awhile we will have a group bring in some WW2 aircraft in the city where I live. These 4 stopped by for the weekend.(they had a B-25 on Saturday, but sadly it had to go on before I got to see them) They were offering rides in the bombers and flight instruction in the fighters. Unfortunately for me, it wasn't in the budget to do.

 

[Halliwax]

Beautiful pictures! Thanks for sharing

 

[Joek3rr]

No, same metric..
Do they tell a cohesive story, start to finish?
Do the individual films (largely) work on their own?
Do they follow the same elemental formulas established by George in the OT?

The answer is obvious.

While the prequels CERTAINLY have flaws (as I've stated, I'd have gone a completely different direction or just not done them at all) they check all three boxes. Even AOTC which is definitely the weakest, is FAR from being an outright terrible SW film.

The sequel trilogy has already failed on all three.

The Last Jedi was so incorrect on EVERY LEVEL that it not only breaks this trilogy but it breaks the franchise, it's not conducive to a cohesive story and it doesn't work as an individual film, either.. TFA, Largely DOES work as an Individual film but mainly because it's (almost) a remake of ANH.
TFA SEEMS to use most of the elemental formulas established by George (although neutered by Disney) but TLJ completely abandoned them. We have yet to see if TRS does any of these three.

Does TLJ tell a cohesive story?

Yes, it does. TLJ's story focuses on three protagonists. Each with their wants and needs. On one side they have a character that enables their wants and on the other side a character that forces them to see what they need. it looks like this.......

Leia<----Poe---->Holdo
DJ<----Finn---->Rose
Ben<----Rey---->Luke

Does it largely work on its own?

As well as any Star Wars film does, with the exception of ANH, as that one was kinda designed to be standalone. I'd guess, considering the reaction TLJ got from some fans, someone who has never seen any of the other films would probably enjoy TLJ more.

Does it follow the same elemental formulas established by George in the OT?

Yes, in that it's the hero's journey(or specifically, in this case, the heroine's journey), which is the story of going from adolescence to adulthood.

 

[Psab keel]

I'd guess, considering the reaction TLJ got from some fans, someone who has never seen any of the other films would probably enjoy TLJ more.

If you were to take a person who had never seen Star Wars before and knew nothing about it you would show them A New Hope. It's self contained in it's structure because George wasn't confident that he would even be allowed to make his planned sequels so he wrapped the story up enough to have a very satisfying conclusion. As a general audience member I'd say that even if they didn't care for it, they could at least credit it as being a cohesive story.

If you were to try the same scenario and show them The Last Jedi instead, without showing them any of the other films, you would lose people because it's the 8th chapter in a series that relies on the previous installments to give them some sort of context. Without seeing the other films you'd have no idea who these characters are and what the plot is.

I'm trying to frame this in a way that is objective for the scenario you are posing and not delve into my own issues with this movie.