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[Joek3rr]

Almost wish I could move there.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

My guess is that somehow Sidious knew about Anakin's creation, even if he was not responsible for it. He knew the Jedi would find him and then just guided him exactly how is show on and off screen. Of course the story he tells about Darth Plagueis certainly insinuates that he learned to create life like that. I think in ROTJ when he said "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen." that could have meant either in ROTJ or from the beginning of his reign to include Anakin. Well you can take it that way after the Prequels anyway.

 

[thegnome]

Perhaps when the prophecy was said the Jedi waited until they could feel the force that went throughout the galaxy so when Anakin was born Yoda and the rest of the council could feel it. The prophecy also states that the son and the daughter would be on opposite sides of the force so perhaps Rey and Kylo. Don't know

 

[Joek3rr]

Perhaps when the prophecy was said the Jedi waited until they could feel the force that went throughout the galaxy so when Anakin was born Yoda and the rest of the council could feel it. The prophecy also states that the son and the daughter would be on opposite sides of the force so perhaps Rey and Kylo. Don't know

Are you referring to the prophecy of the Chosen One? If so, there is nothing about a daughter and son being on opposite sides.

 

[thegnome]

Chosen One

The Chosen One was the central figure in the Jedi prophecy that foretold the coming of the one destined to bring balance to the Force by destroying the Sith. The Chosen One was born during the era of the Galactic Republic; Anakin Skywalker, the son of Shmi Skywalker, was exceptionally strong...

starwars.fandom.com

here is where I got it from. Joek3rr

 

[Joek3rr]

Chosen One

The Chosen One was the central figure in the Jedi prophecy that foretold the coming of the one destined to bring balance to the Force by destroying the Sith. The Chosen One was born during the era of the Galactic Republic; Anakin Skywalker, the son of Shmi Skywalker, was exceptionally strong...

starwars.fandom.com

here is where I got it from. Joek3rr

That's the mortis gods. They were the Daugther(Light), the Father(Balance), and the Son(Dark). I take it you haven't seen The Clone Wars yet? If so I'll refrain from spoiling it. But I will say this, they have nothing to do with the prophecy, excepting the Father believed Anakin to be the Chosen One.

 

[thegnome]

I have seen like when it was just off the shelves (the show, and the movie) so I do not recall a lot of things about it.

 

[BipeFlyer]

Has anyone read Master & Apprentice? I don't want to spoil it, but it explains what some Jedi think of the prophecies and how it affects them. Specifically Qui Gon, Obi Wan and Dooku.

 

[Joek3rr]

Has anyone read Master & Apprentice? I don't want to spoil it, but it explains what some Jedi think of the prophecies and how it affects them. Specifically Qui Gon, Obi Wan and Dooku.

I haven't. I can't afford to keep up with all the novels.

If no one else minds, I wouldn't mind some spoilers.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

I haven't. I can't afford to keep up with all the novels.

If no one else minds, I wouldn't mind some spoilers.

You can usually find stuff on Wikipedia.

 

[Joek3rr]

You can usually find stuff on Wikipedia.

Yeah, just not the same.

Plus, at least with one page, someone has put down what they wanted to happen, not what actually happened. On the Map to Skywalker page it incorrectly says: Skywalker's droid, R2-D2, also received a portion of the map from his master... But R2 got his portion on the Death Star, I edited it to be more accurate. And someone changed it back.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Yeah, just not the same.

Plus, at least with one page, someone has put down what they wanted to happen, not what actually happened. On the Map to Skywalker page it incorrectly says: Skywalker's droid, R2-D2, also received a portion of the map from his master... But R2 got his portion on the Death Star, I edited it to be more accurate. And someone changed it back.

But you want someone to come here and take the time to write plot summaries which could also be inaccurate instead of you taking the time to find them on the web? Sorry, but that just comes off as lazy.

I'm lazy as well when it comes to the books. If I want to know something, I either go to the wiki or wookiepedia pages. If I am slightly more interested, I check out the CD version of the book from the public library. I currently have Alphabet Squadron on on hold for when it is released. It's not that I am too lazy to read. It's just that I am too lazy to read crap. I just find the novels whether old or new EU is just some much patronizing and cliche dribble. However I try to stay up on the plots to keep up on the canon.

 

[BipeFlyer]

I can give you some general information as it relates to the prophecies without going into any of the main plot of the actual story. If you're the type of person who doesn't like ANY spoilers, as I am, stop reading here.

*** WARNING! MINOR SPOILERS AHEAD ***

In a nutshell...

Dooku was a student of the Jedi prophecy texts but had stopped studying them sometime in his youth. When Dooku's Padawan, Qui-Gon Jinn, discovered the prophecies and started studying them it rekindled Dooku's interest in the prophecies. Most Jedi had rejected the prophecies as being stories. Dooku and Qui-Gon Jinn, however, felt that the prophecies allowed them to see and possibly control the future. Qui-Gon Jinn discovered that while it's possible to see the future, trying to control the future was a path to the dark side. Qui-Gon Jinn's Padawan, Obi-Wan Kenobi, didn't take much stock in the Jedi prophecies, nor did the Jedi Council as a whole.

You can infer from this the impact it had on both Dooku and Qui-Gon and how it affected their relationships with the force.


The book nicely fills in some of the backstory for the prequels as well as the early relationships between Dooku, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

 

[Halliwax]

I can give you some general information as it relates to the prophecies without going into any of the main plot of the actual story. If you're the type of person who doesn't like ANY spoilers, as I am, stop reading here.

*** WARNING! MINOR SPOILERS AHEAD ***

In a nutshell...

Dooku was a student of the Jedi prophecy texts but had stopped studying them sometime in his youth. When Dooku's Padawan, Qui-Gon Jinn, discovered the prophecies and started studying them it rekindled Dooku's interest in the prophecies. Most Jedi had rejected the prophecies as being stories. Dooku and Qui-Gon Jinn, however, felt that the prophecies allowed them to see and possibly control the future. Qui-Gon Jinn discovered that while it's possible to see the future, trying to control the future was a path to the dark side. Qui-Gon Jinn's Padawan, Obi-Wan Kenobi, didn't take much stock in the Jedi prophecies, nor did the Jedi Council as a whole.

You can infer from this the impact it had on both Dooku and Qui-Gon and how it affected their relationships with the force.


The book nicely fills in some of the backstory for the prequels as well as the early relationships between Dooku, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

Thank you for taking the time and explaining this. I really appreciate it

 

[Bigdaddy]

Speaking of Dooku...

 

[AssCred]

Star Wars should've ended in 1983, or just stuck to EU novels.

In any case, I have no lingering attachments or care at all about this franchise, even though I liked it as a kid. Just kinda Eh overall to me now, and has been even before the revival.

 

[thegnome]

Yeah I would agree with that, the previous episodes I-III were to CGI so therefore lost its realness. I think that movies like Han Solo and Rouge One are pretty good in comparison to episodes 7 and 8

 

[Joek3rr]

Yeah I would agree with that, the previous episodes I-III were to CGI so therefore lost its realness. I think that movies like Han Solo and Rouge One are pretty good in comparison to episodes 7 and 8

There were more miniatures and models made for TPM then were made for IV-VI.

 

[Joek3rr]

I can give you some general information as it relates to the prophecies without going into any of the main plot of the actual story. If you're the type of person who doesn't like ANY spoilers, as I am, stop reading here.

*** WARNING! MINOR SPOILERS AHEAD ***

In a nutshell...

Dooku was a student of the Jedi prophecy texts but had stopped studying them sometime in his youth. When Dooku's Padawan, Qui-Gon Jinn, discovered the prophecies and started studying them it rekindled Dooku's interest in the prophecies. Most Jedi had rejected the prophecies as being stories. Dooku and Qui-Gon Jinn, however, felt that the prophecies allowed them to see and possibly control the future. Qui-Gon Jinn discovered that while it's possible to see the future, trying to control the future was a path to the dark side. Qui-Gon Jinn's Padawan, Obi-Wan Kenobi, didn't take much stock in the Jedi prophecies, nor did the Jedi Council as a whole.

You can infer from this the impact it had on both Dooku and Qui-Gon and how it affected their relationships with the force.


The book nicely fills in some of the backstory for the prequels as well as the early relationships between Dooku, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

Thanks for taking the time to write that out! I really appreciate it!

Something that I find interesting now is that Qui-Gon saw controlling the future as a path to the Dark Side (which it can be, Anakin and Luke have shown that to be the case on multiple occasions) Yet when Watto rolls his chance cube to see if Shmi or Anakin is to be freed, Qui-Gon uses the Force to make sure it's Anakin. That one moment changes the fate of the galaxy. What happened to the "it's the will of the Force?" Maybe it was the will of the Force for Qui-Gon to find Anakin, but was it the will of the Force that Qui-Gon take a 9-year-old child away from his mother to be raised by a bunch emotion suppressing space monks living in a temple? Imagine had the chance cube landed on Shmi, and she would have been freed. It's not like she would leave her son. So Qui-Gon would have either come back with money to free Anakin, or maybe he would moved to Tatooine, or better yet maybe Cliegg Lars would have married Shmi and bought Anakin's freedom. Then Anakin would have been raised by mother and father, grown up to be a halfway normal young adult, and wouldn't have fallen to Dark Side? All because Qui-Gon used the Force on a little colored cube.

 

[Potroclo]

Thanks for taking the time to write that out! I really appreciate it!

Something that I find interesting now is that Qui-Gon saw controlling the future as a path to the Dark Side (which it can be, Anakin and Luke have shown that to be the case on multiple occasions) Yet when Watto rolls his chance cube to see if Shmi or Anakin is to be freed, Qui-Gon uses the Force to make sure it's Anakin. That one moment changes the fate of the galaxy. What happened to the "it's the will of the Force?" Maybe it was the will of the Force for Qui-Gon to find Anakin, but was it the will of the Force that Qui-Gon take a 9-year-old child away from his mother to be raised by a bunch emotion suppressing space monks living in a temple? Imagine had the chance cube landed on Shmi, and she would have been freed. It's not like she would leave her son. So Qui-Gon would have either come back with money to free Anakin, or maybe he would moved to Tatooine, or better yet maybe Cliegg Lars would have married Shmi and bought Anakin's freedom. Then Anakin would have been raised by mother and father, grown up to be a halfway normal young adult, and wouldn't have fallen to Dark Side? All because Qui-Gon used the Force on a little colored cube.

Altering a dice throw is not altering the future. Raising to chancelor of the republic, while simultaneously and secretly training sith, which you are yourself with no one knowing, and manipulating half the galaxy for decades to create an interplanetary civil war so as to impose an empire and rule them all with the most powerful jedi whose life is nothing but a lie you created at your side: that is altering the future. Alter a gamble stupidly proposed by a less than amoral slaver so a promising youngling can have a better future is just a minuscule push to ensure the status-quo balance slightly leans towards the right side of things.
The difference is in being aware of the long term outcome.