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She survived not through her mastery of The Force, but through the awesome colossal power of “being one” with bad storytelling. Many characters are able to harness this power and perform feats of sheer stupidity that defy clear-headed intelligence and logic. It is also a power that has become more and more frequently seen in movies as the years pass by.

“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of hack writing...”

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It's where my main criticism of everything from ROTJ on comes from -- they didn't give enough screen time to stuff we needed to know. I know what was going on with all of the above -- the mysterious awakening of the Force, Rey's uncanny ability and strength with it, Leia in space --and don't have any issue with any of it... Just how it was presented, and how incompletely it was presented.
 
The atmospheric pressure (atm) on Earth is 101325 pascal, so in pounds per square inch its 14.696 psi, now is space pounds per square inch its 0.0001917398892840186. Its not even close. Pressure is because of the stuff ie atoms that is giving the force of pressure, without atoms there is no pressure. PV=nrT (P=pressure, V=volume, n=8.314 J/(K. mol), r=0.08206 l atm/mol k OR 1.987 cal/mol K) when V=0 and r=0.08206 l atm/mol k (liters, pressure/amount of stuff Kelvin) n=8.314 J/(K. mol) it would equal= {P X .1 per square centimeter=8.314 0.2/(4.X.1) X 0.08206 (0.0001917398892840186 X 0./0.1 X 4) X 4}=.1 atom per square centimeter ie in inches (psi) =.6. That is for P. Even with the best force she still could not do it. Sorry about the calculations, I am exhausted, if you need more evidence I can show you in the right way. Anyhow even if she did have the best force her eyes would explode immediately after she went into space.

Actually no. Technician and test subject Jim LeBlanc survived in a vacuum when his suit depressurized. And numerous tests done chimps also showed they could survive for minutes in a total vacuum.
 
I can much easier accept the tunnel in the ice cave collapsing as a result of it being bombarded by laser fire or that R2 and 3PO could get picked up by the same Jawas considering that they were both traveling on foot as it were within several hours of one another, than I could buy Leia flying through space. Your examples are much more plausible than what Leia did in that scene. By a long shot. I can suspend my disbelief even for a story with space wizards but if they are just going to have people doing the impossible to that degree then I tend to mentally check out. It's like watching Bugs Bunny. For all of the fanciful things in Star Wars there has to be SOME sense of danger otherwise where is the tension that will keep me watching. Leia survived that incident with no injuries save being unconscious for a few hours and having a bandage on her head. She's a cartoon at that point. Why should I care? She can survive anything. Holdo was a poor substitute for Leia anyway.

Why is Rey capable of doing this and no other Jedi? So for a thousand generations Jedi trained for their entire lives to master the Force and Rey can just absorb all this knowledge through one fleeting interaction with a half trained dark side user? C'mon. That undermines the established history of the entire order because no one else has been able to do that. Regardless of the fact that it could lead to attachment, no Jedi or Sith ever thought to even attempt it? Because if I were a Sith I would have gone around downloading all kind of Sith knowledge and amassing enough power to take over the galaxy. You see how this is a problem? These ideas BEG the question, why has no one else done it before now?

There is nothing to suggest that the Force is suddenly more powerful than it ever was. It's an impersonal energy field. If there is life in this galaxy then the Force is present. Pure and simple. The Force flowing through the galaxy stronger than ever. What does that even mean? Either it's there or it's not.

These ideas may sound neat on the surface but when you really think about them, no matter how many books or ancillary material try to legitimize them, they are just poorly thought out. It's often the result of having an interesting concept and working on overdrive to justify it when it actually detracts from your story. Continuity is important. You can't establish ideas in earlier parts of your story only to change them to make for a neat scene without having your audience get annoyed with you. It's like everyone follows in George's footsteps and changes concepts as long as it looks cool with no regard to how it affects the overall story. It's irritating beyond belief. Rather than flesh something out based on earlier chapters of the story they just change them because they can't come up with something that fits within the same context and develop it to have new meaning.

I had lots of ideas I thought would make for a cool scene in my book but ultimately if I have to come up with all kinds of explanations that bog down the pace or contradict the main focus of the story, they get cut. It's the difference between mediocre writing and good writing.

Maybe you don't expect much from your stories and that's a matter of personal taste, but if they insist on making more stories with these characters then I expect that they would make good creative choices. I feel that they dropped the ball.

Though this was in another thread I felt that it applies to this topic too: Inquisitor Peregrinus

If you think internal consistency in a fictional universe is "optional", or whatever, you're as bad as Braga. :p You have to be mindful of what came before, whether you agree with it or not, for that universe to have any perceived "reality" to it. Can't just ignore it to blithely tell whatever stories you want to tell, or it ends up a disjointed mess no one cares about. Oh, wait...

I consider one of the hallmarks of a good writer to be how well they work within an established fictional history of a fictional universe they're getting to play in.


We've debated this accursed movie to death. Do we really need to retread the same arguments over and over? I get that you love it. I absolutely hate it. We will never see eye to eye on it and I'm ok with that. Let's move on shall we?

Totally possible for a human to survive in vacuum. Jim LeBlanc survived. Look at my reply to thegnome.

Forget the details of how Rey is doing things. That's not important. The important part is that the Force is using her as an instrument of its will. Like it does everyone in the galaxy. One of my favorite parts about Rogue One is that they show that it's the Force that ensures that the Stormtroopers can't hit our heroes. When Rey is able to take pull the lightsaber past Ben, when she is able to go on the offensive. You hear the Force theme being played. Since the Force is invisible George and John use that theme to draw our attention to when the Force is at work, directing people towards their destinies.

So why can Rey do what she does? The Force. That's the only answer you should need.
 
The atmospheric pressure (atm) on Earth is 101325 pascal, so in pounds per square inch its 14.696 psi, now is space pounds per square inch its 0.0001917398892840186. Its not even close. Pressure is because of the stuff ie atoms that is giving the force of pressure, without atoms there is no pressure. PV=nrT (P=pressure, V=volume, n=8.314 J/(K. mol), r=0.08206 l atm/mol k OR 1.987 cal/mol K) when V=0 and r=0.08206 l atm/mol k (liters, pressure/amount of stuff Kelvin) n=8.314 J/(K. mol) it would equal= {P X .1 per square centimeter=8.314 0.2/(4.X.1) X 0.08206 (0.0001917398892840186 X 0./0.1 X 4) X 4}=.1 atom per square centimeter ie in inches (psi) =.6. That is for P. Even with the best force she still could not do it. Sorry about the calculations, I am exhausted, if you need more evidence I can show you in the right way. Anyhow even if she did have the best force her eyes would explode immediately after she went into space.
So that's where we draw the line, huh? Disregard all the other fantasy and suspension of disbelief required for this whole saga, this is the linchpin that undoes SW for you?
 
Bringing real works physics into this is rather absurd. So....as I said before, some of you find the Leia scene ridiculous yet happily accept a flying hamburger shaped ship reaching light speed. I would like to see some formulas explaining that one....LOL! Please, please....
 
Totally possible for a human to survive in vacuum. Jim LeBlanc survived. Look at my reply to thegnome.

Forget the details of how Rey is doing things. That's not important. The important part is that the Force is using her as an instrument of its will. Like it does everyone in the galaxy. One of my favorite parts about Rogue One is that they show that it's the Force that ensures that the Stormtroopers can't hit our heroes. When Rey is able to take pull the lightsaber past Ben, when she is able to go on the offensive. You hear the Force theme being played. Since the Force is invisible George and John use that theme to draw our attention to when the Force is at work, directing people towards their destinies.

So why can Rey do what she does? The Force. That's the only answer you should need.


Sorry. I'm not willing to shut my brain off for this story and blindly accept poor writing. Some stories perhaps but not Star Wars. I'll just stick to the OT.
 
Sorry. I'm not willing to shut my brain off for this story and blindly accept poor writing. Some stories perhaps but not Star Wars. I'll just stick to the OT.

No, there's no poor writing here. You just don't like the writing. And that's okay. Funny that TFA and TLJ both picked up the Saturn Award for best writing. And TLJ beat out Blade Runner 2049! Which think is a far superior film then any of the new Star Wars.
 
So that's where we draw the line, huh? Disregard all the other fantasy and suspension of disbelief required for this whole saga, this is the linchpin that undoes SW for you?
I have loved Star Wars since I was three, I just think that episode seven and eight are way overemphasized versus the classic four to six. The force has been thrown out the window and the same for the lore. Rouge One and Solo were very good. Solo pretty much was a rerun of the lore but it was good for the people who don't know about that. Rouge One explain the transition between three to four and the last scene was the beginning of episode four as we all know.
 
I have loved Star Wars since I was three, I just think that episode seven and eight are way overemphasized versus the classic four to six. The force has been thrown out the window and the same for the lore. Rouge One and Solo were very good. Solo pretty much was a rerun of the lore but it was good for the people who don't know about that. Rouge One explain the transition between three to four and the last scene was the beginning of episode four as we all know.

I totally agree with you the theGnome,...although....

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I seem to recall Escape From LA picking up a Saturn...
I wouldn't exactly call it the pinnacle of filmmaking and I love Carpenter and Russell.

that was a huge let down for me... couldn't even friggin see what the aliens looked like... purposely blurring them all up
 
Sorry. I'm not willing to shut my brain off for this story and blindly accept poor writing. Some stories perhaps but not Star Wars. I'll just stick to the OT.
No the writing sucks.

So to anyone else who likes the films you dont like....they are shutting their brains off. Funny but that is very close to been disrespectful. Funnier still coming from someone who felt was disrespected by a silly meme of a baby crying. In my case I dont feel any disrespect from your post and I bet Jok33r didnt either.
 
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