Lets talk all things Star Wars

[Halliwax]

Well long robes are typically the clothing of lower class. It would makes sense for the Jedi to wear humble clothes that are similar. Much in the same vein as a monks habit. We can see that Owen wears something similar.

The only thing that Obi-Wan wears that I've not seen anyone else wear is the tabards. That seems exclusive to Jedi (and Sith). But the tunic and robes can be seen being worn by other people.

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i seriously need to learn how to use a sewing machine

 

[Joek3rr]

youre on a shopping spree today aren't ya

Sadly just looking, not buying......

But when the house is finished, I'm going to need some man cave decor!

 

[Halliwax]

Sadly just looking, not buying......

But when the house is finished, I'm going to need some man cave decor!

we are going to need updates with pics!

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

Sadly just looking, not buying......

But when the house is finished, I'm going to need some man cave decor!

I vote for regal robot and entertainment earth if you're set on going the licensed SW themed home decor route. Regal robot can be expensive but they have a bunch of really cool items that are reasonable. I'm sure this isn't news to you but supposedly there are some awesome pieces coming in the near future. Good luck with your house and man cave!

 

[Halliwax]

I vote for regal robot and entertainment earth if you're set on going the licensed SW themed home decor route. Regal robot can be expensive but they have a bunch of really cool items that are reasonable. I'm sure this isn't news to you but supposedly there are some awesome pieces coming in the near future. Good luck with your house and man cave!

i second that!

 

[Joek3rr]

I vote for regal robot and entertainment earth if you're set on going the licensed SW themed home decor route. Regal robot can be expensive but they have a bunch of really cool items that are reasonable. I'm sure this isn't news to you but supposedly there are some awesome pieces coming in the near future. Good luck with your house and man cave!

Thanks!

 

[Joek3rr]

we are going to need updates with pics!

Will do!

 

[Wolfsburg]

Yes, to a point. "Jack-of-all-trades and master of none is better by far than master of one." "Standard" Stormtrooper armor is (or, at least, should be -- Hero Shield and Plot Armor notwithstanding) well-suited for the wide-range of typical duty and combat situations a 'trooper will likely encounter. But...


Then we get to this stuff. While Stormtrooper armor is likely well insulated and efficient at maintaining internal temperature and environment under a range of conditions, for extended operations in extremely hot or cold deserts requires more-specialized kit, same with extended operations in hard vacuum (the original Spacetrooper, before it got misinterpreted to uselessness, was essentially a one-man spacecraft designed specifically to be worn/piloted by a Stormtrooper in standard armor. Got into it like a modern EVA suit and detached from the hangar wall to go do things. EVO and Magma Troopers are variants with heavier armor to deal with extremely corrosive or reductive environments. Rad Troopers are similar to standard Stormtroopers, but hardened for operations in zones of extreme radiation. These are all narrow-focus specialized gear that they're all trained to use, but to make something that is as good as all of them together would be prohibitively expensive (and maybe not even physically possible).

Some "types" are just standard Stormtroopers with a bit of extra training or kit. Incinerator Troopers, for instance, are just Stormtroopers who train with and carry around the bulky flamethrower gear.

Then there's the light infantry. Force recon. Stormtrooper Scouts are more-lightly armored because, while they might face combat, their primary MOS is scouting, outriding, and sniping. Pilots and drivers I put in this category, as well. While all are trained to fight, their main battlefield rôle is working through vehicles and other media.

When a 'trooper is elevated to Veteran status, they get the upgraded "Shadow" version of their gear. Shadow Trooper, Shadow Scout, and Shadow Guard helmets and armor are lighter, more protective, and have better electronics and other gear. Shadow Troopers often work in spec-ops, Shadow Scouts are cross-trained as commandos and demolition personnel. Above that for Stormtroopers is the gold-trimmed version, the Nova Trooper. These are, as Will Smith put it, the best of the best of the best, sir! With honors. Bodyguards for high-ranking dignitaries, backup for Inquisitors and Hands... They're basically the Buckingham Palace Guards. People take them for granted because they're often so ceremonial -- but if a threat presents itself, hit the deck.


They are, in fact, clones who are troopers. Technically, they are Republic Troopers, a newer version of the ones in TOR. Up until Order 66 and the Declaration of Empire, whereupon they become Imperial Stormtroopers.


Swamp Troopers I accept as a sobriquet like "mudfoot". AKA the poor bloody infantry. They share the armor and helmet of Veers and the AT-ST crew from ROTJ. I could go down a rabbit-hole with the shared similarity to the Snowtrooper armor and helmet, but that gets murky, so I won't here.

Get ready for a context bomb, now. All those new troops we saw in Rogue One and Solo (besides the above)? ISB. That's an ISB facility on Scarif. Krennic's the Director of the ISB's technical specialist/combat engineering division, responsible for things like the Death Star and his Death Troopers. Those tanks and cargo sledges on Jeddha were gathering kyber crystals for the Death Star project and related endeavors. The raid in Solo was on an ISB transport. Every one of those helmet variants with that lens shape, those air vents (or whatever) flanking the annunciator... Shore Troopers are their light infantry (they may not have heavier, as they're not primarily a frontline agency, and there were a lot of standard Stormtroopers around them). Range Troopers are their Snowtrooper analogues. The tank and AT-ACT dudes are their armored-vehicle drivers. I'd say even the traffic-control dude in Solo represents a lower-priority division of the ISB -- it is security work on an Imperial world, and that's sort of in the name. Makes me think the heavy fighter Han was testing in the deleted scene was also for the ISB, given the shared design cues of that helmet to the Patrol Trooper and Death Trooper... Even Agent Kallus in Rebels has a similar helmet (like a tank driver's, but without the faceplate and with a slightly different forehead shield).

Parallel organizations. The guys with the steingrau uniforms are all Imperial Starfleet -- combined army/navy service. The guys with the black uniforms are Stormtroopers out of the battle armor. The guys with the light-gray uniforms with black caps are the technical branch. And the ones with the differently-cut off-white jackets and black caps are ISB. There is reason to believe there's overlap in the latter two. But they all have their own enlisted and commissioned sorts of uniforms, and they all maintain some variety of armored battle-gear.


This part, I am right there with you. I am baffled by the people who still don't get the Stormtroopers on the Death Star were missing ON PURPOSE! The rest of the time, we've seen them being super-effective. Even the ground battle in ROTJ was seeing a LOT of Ewok casualties and collateral damage to the forest. Even if the armor protected them from serious injury, all that was needed was for a trooper to be knocked off-balance long enough to be swarmed under with stabby little bastards. I'm curious if Marine Snipers sneer at the "merely-competent" Riflemen... But yeah, I hate all recent depictions of Stormtroopers being bumbling comic relief. I do like them when they're effective, though.

I like your thoughts on some of the troopers we see in Rogue One and Solo actually being under the auspices of the ISB. That makes some sense to me, also given the overall look of the designs. I suppose the Juggernaut drivers in Mando would be as well?

I always kinda felt like many of the trooper names were just sobriquets and not actually meant to be what they were literally called within the Empire. Sandtroopers are just stormtroopers with frontier gear for those far flung posts. Of course we only saw them on Tatooine, a sandy planet so the assumption is, oh they are clearly desert combat stormtroopers (aka: sandtroopers). I'm not certain that was necessarily the early intent. My thoughts on snowtroopers being generally the same.

In the context of the movies, we're left to assume that stormtroopers (and their many variants) are the rank and file soldiers and I just don't think that was necessarily the original intent. In almost every instance in the OT, we see stormtroopers because they are usually either attached to Vader or affiliated with the Death Stars, where elite troops would make sense. Sadly, in the following decades, no one changed that perception with the possible exception of the "regular" Imperial soldiers depicted on Mimban in Solo.

I just feel like "plain jane" stormtroopers should've been more universal in nature, without the endless variations for every possible contingency. ie: Coral Reef troopers for combat around coral reefs, River troopers for combat around rivers. Sidewalk troopers for combat on sidewalks, etc etc. Lol! Hyperbole but that's what it feels like sometimes. Of course, I'm probably wrong in my meanderings on all this but in my mind it makes more sense.

I would love to see just standard Imperial soldiers or even fleet troopers shown much more often but I feel like that's nuance Disney wouldn't be interested in pursuing. Stormtroopers are such a classic look, even if they are depicted as bumbling buffoons, now more than ever.

 

[Halliwax]

i dont know this guy but anyone see this?

 

[Psab keel]

I doubt it's true but I wouldn't shed any tears if he did leave.

 

[Halliwax]

I doubt it's true but I wouldn't shed any tears if he did leave.

im curious if anything else happens, he's been there forever

 

[Wolfsburg]

I'd love it if it were true but I have my doubts. He's been with LFL in some capacity for well over 20 years.

 

[Halliwax]

I'd love it if it were true but I have my doubts. He's been with LFL in some capacity for well over 20 years.

I’m thinking it’s just a new policy that lucasfilm with lucasfilm and social media

 

[robn1]

 

[Halliwax]

Cool! I’ve never seen that before

 

[HeartBlade]

There is so much “news” and “rumor” about Lucasfilm that I really cant believe anything about a person being fired unless they actively state so in some press release and walk out the office (although they could force project back in lol). There were so many rumors of KK being out but she is still there.

Pretty sure they went with adding stormtrooper variants for toy sales. You dont have a complete army unless you have so and so trooper. I think its arguably worse with the clone troopers since they only differentiate by color/war paint. In l-universe it could make sense because the clone troopers are clones of Jango Fett and could believe their clone armor is similar to their Mando armor and want to use the same one in all environments.

Yeah it is a shame that stormtroopers are incompetent/cant shoot has become mainstream when it is false. Stormtroopers are still army recruits and are likely better trained and equipped than the average rebel. They were told to purposefully miss on the Death Star which Leia confirms (they let us escape) and did destroy the Hoth base.

The issue was probably the fact that it wasnt the troopers themselves that destroyed Hoth but the walkers (although piloted by troopers) and they had a “poor showing” on Endor by losing the battle despite probably outnumbering the rebels. Stormtroopers may have retained more of their perception of competence if it was wookies and not ewoks on Endor.

 

[Halliwax]

I wouldn’t believe him to be fired, but if it is true and he’s not there I imagine he move on to something bigger

I still think it’s all BS

Heck he might have even done this to troll the community lol

 

[Inquisitor Peregrinus]

I like your thoughts on some of the troopers we see in Rogue One and Solo actually being under the auspices of the ISB. That makes some sense to me, also given the overall look of the designs. I suppose the Juggernaut drivers in Mando would be as well?

Everything in that felt like a clandestine Imperial facility. Tracking it down, the Shore Troopers, the Juggernaut drivers' helmets, and the officer Mayfield shot was talking about the sort of stuff ISB officers would do in the EU. Sorta like Imperial Commissars in Warhammer 40K -- sacrifice as many troops as necessary to achieve the political goal. And then heap honors on them afterward, of course.

I always kinda felt like many of the trooper names were just sobriquets and not actually meant to be what they were literally called within the Empire. Sandtroopers are just stormtroopers with frontier gear for those far flung posts. Of course we only saw them on Tatooine, a sandy planet so the assumption is, oh they are clearly desert combat stormtroopers (aka: sandtroopers). I'm not certain that was necessarily the early intent. My thoughts on snowtroopers being generally the same.

Sandtroopers were just Stormtroopers in kit for extended ops in hot deserts. Enhanced cooling gear, less close-in sensor capability, equipment for being out where there's nothing but sand... It wasn't an Imperial-held world, so they weren't local troops, and Vader told Praji to see to the search for the plans on the surface personally. It was a detachment sent down from the Devastator.

As for Snowtroopers... I have had mixed feeling about them since Solo. Originally, they were developed out of the concept that became Boba Fett -- a company of elite Imperial commandos tracking Our Heroes. We've just always assumed they're Stormtroopers. For me, the big tell is the helmet. In the OT, if it has a Stormtrooper faceplate, it's a Stormtrooper. In ANH, we saw Stormtrooper pilots. In Empire, we saw Stormtrooper armored-vehicle operators. I'll get to that lower down. But the Snowtroopers have the same helmets and armor as Veers, just with a closed in face. Now we have the Imperial Army troopers in Solo with the same armor and helmets again, including breathers and goggles for varying battlefield conditions. Since the "supertroopers" that were originally going to be Mandalorian commandos evolved into the Snowtroopers, and they were supposed to be "better" than the Stormtroopers we'd seen in the first film, are they necessarily Stormtroopers? It would mean jettisoning everything all the way back to Kenner's "Stormtrooper (Hoth Battle Gear)" action figure. But it might fit better that those are Imperial Army troops in cold-weather gear.

But there's so much built on them being Stormtroopers, including the retroactive continuity of the cold-weather gear the clone troopers wore in Clone Wars, that I may have to just accept them as Stormtroopers, and their hostile-climate armor just inspired the Imperial Army's combat gear after the Clone Wars ended.

In the context of the movies, we're left to assume that stormtroopers (and their many variants) are the rank and file soldiers and I just don't think that was necessarily the original intent. In almost every instance in the OT, we see stormtroopers because they are usually either attached to Vader or affiliated with the Death Stars, where elite troops would make sense. Sadly, in the following decades, no one changed that perception with the possible exception of the "regular" Imperial soldiers depicted on Mimban in Solo.

See, to me, the Stormtroopers were always the Marines. We see them in boarding actions, taking beachheads, guarding military facilities, and serving as embarked troops aboard the Imperial Starfleet's vessels. And, like the Marines, they have their own pilots and armored-vehicle drivers and snipers. It was apparent to me that Veers and the AT-ST crew in ROTJ weren't Stormtroopers, but were part of some parallel organization, from the matching helmets and goggles.

Since then, I've had a lot of time to look at the visual and subliminal storytelling of Star Wars and Empire. In the credits for the first film, we have General Tagge and General Motti. Army/Marine ranks. In Empire, we have General Veers (Army/Marine again), but Captains (which can be both Army and Navy, but here it seems to only be applied to capital-ship commanders) and Admirals, too, all wearing the same uniform. So I realized the Imperial Starfleet was a combined service. Which makes sense -- ships alone can't take and hold territory, and troops are useless if you can't get them to the planet they're supposed to fight on. I decided the single-line rank insignia in Star Wars was the Army/Marine type, and the matched red-over-blue of Empire was the Navy version, and Stormtroopers and their Generals wear whichever version is appropriate to where they're posted, so the personnel around them know at a glance where they fit in the hierarchy.

I rejected the EU's assertion that the black-uniformed people with the kabuto helmets were Imperial Navy troopers, same as I reject the Rebels with the white kabuto helmets are "Rebel Fleet Troopers". It clashes with the way things are presented in the OT. We constantly see Stormtroopers being accompanied or ordered around by people in black uniforms. A guy in a black uniform is told to see to the search for the Death Star plans on Tatooine personally, and then we see a bunch of Stormtroopers. Stormtrooper pilots wear identical black jumpsuits to the kabuto-helmet-wearing "Navy Troopers". Scout Troopers also wear black jumpsuits (albeit slightly different ones). So my takeaway is that all the black uniforms are Stormtroopers, in garrison uniform versus combat gear. Further backed up, I'm willing to bet unintentionally, by the EU giving us Shadow Troopers. The only glimpses we got of "Army" uniforms were Veers and the AT-ST crew, until Solo. That is one thing I praise that movie for above all else. Beckett's stolen uniform (I would still have preferred he was a veteran officer who didn't like the way the Empire was shaping up and decided to desert), all the "Mud Troopers" -- we finally saw the poor, bloody infantry.

I just feel like "plain jane" stormtroopers should've been more universal in nature, without the endless variations for every possible contingency. ie: Coral Reef troopers for combat around coral reefs, River troopers for combat around rivers. Sidewalk troopers for combat on sidewalks, etc etc. Lol! Hyperbole but that's what it feels like sometimes. Of course, I'm probably wrong in my meanderings on all this but in my mind it makes more sense.

To brush off my military quartermaster doublespeak...

• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Standard, Variable Battlefield
• Armor, Vehicle, Stormtrooper, Standard, Light, Starfighter
• Armor, Vehicle, Stormtrooper, Standard, Light, Armored-Vehicle
• Armor, Field, Stormtrooper, Force Reconnaissance, Standard, Light
• Armor, Garrison, Stormtrooper, Standard, Light, Gunnery
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Extreme Environment, Arid, Hot
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Extreme Environment, Arid, Cold
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Extreme Environment, Radiation Zone
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Extreme Environment, Reducing, Volcanic
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Extreme Environment, Reducing, Corrosive
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Specialized Terrain, Aquatic
• [N.B. For "Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Specialized Environment, Zero-Gravity Operations", see: "Vehicle, Spacecraft, Single-Occupant, Exo-Suit, Stormtrooper"]
• Armor, Special-Operations, Stormtrooper, Veteran
• Armor, Special-Operations, Stormtrooper, Veteran, Advanced
• Armor, Special-Operations, Stormtrooper, Force Reconnaissance, Veteran
• Armor, Special-Operations, Stormtrooper, Light, Starfighter, Veteran

It seems like a lot until you realize there are four foundation layers in varying degrees of uprate, four types of armor in varying degrees of uprate, and six helmets in varying loadout and degrees of uprate -- and two of those use the same faceplate (and associated internal componentry), even. There are a couple more if you factor in the "Deltas" that are the Imperial/Storm Commandos, but they're semi-separate from the rest of the Corps. And I'm not counting the Snowtroopers for the moment, as I'm feeling very Heisenbergian at the moment about where they fit in...

 

[Eruonen]

Unfortunately this is another case of fans trying desperately to make sense of something that the creators don’t really care about. Every new creative that gets to play in the Star Wars sandbox makes up a new kind of imperial soldier. It’s like a right of passage.

• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Standard, Variable Battlefield
• Armor, Vehicle, Stormtrooper, Standard, Light, Starfighter
• Armor, Vehicle, Stormtrooper, Standard, Light, Armored-Vehicle
• Armor, Field, Stormtrooper, Force Reconnaissance, Standard, Light
• Armor, Garrison, Stormtrooper, Standard, Light, Gunnery
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Extreme Environment, Arid, Hot
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Extreme Environment, Arid, Cold
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Extreme Environment, Radiation Zone
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Extreme Environment, Reducing, Volcanic
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Extreme Environment, Reducing, Corrosive
• Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Specialized Terrain, Aquatic
• [N.B. For "Armor, Combat, Stormtrooper, Specialized Environment, Zero-Gravity Operations", see: "Vehicle, Spacecraft, Single-Occupant, Exo-Suit, Stormtrooper"]
• Armor, Special-Operations, Stormtrooper, Veteran
• Armor, Special-Operations, Stormtrooper, Veteran, Advanced
• Armor, Special-Operations, Stormtrooper, Force Reconnaissance, Veteran
• Armor, Special-Operations, Stormtrooper, Light, Starfighter, Veteran

But this ^ I think is about as close to organized as I’ve ever seen this information.

 

[Halliwax]

What did I miss