The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 12)
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Like 4 - 8 weeks or longer ?
Yeah its stunning to say the least, nice score I think i may order one . Nobody is doing anything close to this type of work . What version did you get ? Its so pretty I would be to scared to handle the thing lol . I would put it in a display case for sure . Such a huge fan of this film I just can't buy the cheapo version. always been my problem lol
Like 4 - 8 weeks or longer ?
Yeah its stunning to say the least, nice score I think i may order one . Nobody is doing anything close to this type of work . What version did you get ? Its so pretty I would be to scared to handle the thing lol . I would put it in a display case for sure . Such a huge fan of this film I just can't buy the cheapo version. always been my problem lol
Re: The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 7)
Me too :cry Would love to get one of Flatterys "book of arts" as well :love
Unfortunately it is not in my budget, so i had to go with the second best (thanks Kalkamel
) AND in addition will give it a try by my own :eek Thanks to the great link in the very first post and the detailed pics and Info. in this outstanding thread :thumbsup .
I definitely want to order one too, but my funds don't allow it right now...
Me too :cry Would love to get one of Flatterys "book of arts" as well :love
Unfortunately it is not in my budget, so i had to go with the second best (thanks Kalkamel
) AND in addition will give it a try by my own :eek Thanks to the great link in the very first post and the detailed pics and Info. in this outstanding thread :thumbsup .Re: The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 7)
hi Flattery,
hope you are doing fine and you project/run is going well.
Any new pics to show up with :love :confused
Beside that i would have a question about getting a book block rounded.
Are there any kind of papers recommanded for this kind of work? I mean for rounding a sewn book block?
I am sure the sort of papers used - for example hand/mold-made papers compared to modern lasercopy papers - does have influence on this. But is it tecnically possible to round a block made of lasercopy paper in a nice and sufficient way?
In addition do you glue the spine before and after rounding the block (i mean before the leather is glued to the spine?)
Many thanks in advance, for any comment you are able to give.
hi Flattery,
hope you are doing fine and you project/run is going well.
Any new pics to show up with :love :confused
Beside that i would have a question about getting a book block rounded.
Are there any kind of papers recommanded for this kind of work? I mean for rounding a sewn book block?
I am sure the sort of papers used - for example hand/mold-made papers compared to modern lasercopy papers - does have influence on this. But is it tecnically possible to round a block made of lasercopy paper in a nice and sufficient way?
In addition do you glue the spine before and after rounding the block (i mean before the leather is glued to the spine?)
Many thanks in advance, for any comment you are able to give.
Flattery
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Re: The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 7)
Hi, Murdoc.
I took several pictures of new copies that I produced, but nothing that you haven't seen already. I'm hoping one of the new owners of the books will post something about them.
About rounding: Yes, you're correct. The one major requirement of rounding a paper block is that the paper grain direction must be parallel to the spine. If it's not, the sections will become jagged and pages will warp where they are folded, and the longevity of the book is sacrificed.
Most lazer printer papers are grain long, meaning that the grain runs along the longest portion of the paper. For 11x17 sheets, I recommend finding some that is grain short, so you can fold them length-wise and the grain will be parallel to the spine. Depending on the size of the paper, grain long may be what you need. I use handmade sheets that are woven, 19x26 inches, and grain short. After folding it down three times, I get the perfect size sheet for a 6.5x9.5 book with the grain parallel to the spine for rounding.
Here's a good article on grain direction and its effects: J Hewit & Sons Ltd - Skin Deep - Volume 10 - About Paper Grain
I hope this helps.
Cheers!
Hi, Murdoc.
I took several pictures of new copies that I produced, but nothing that you haven't seen already. I'm hoping one of the new owners of the books will post something about them.
About rounding: Yes, you're correct. The one major requirement of rounding a paper block is that the paper grain direction must be parallel to the spine. If it's not, the sections will become jagged and pages will warp where they are folded, and the longevity of the book is sacrificed.
Most lazer printer papers are grain long, meaning that the grain runs along the longest portion of the paper. For 11x17 sheets, I recommend finding some that is grain short, so you can fold them length-wise and the grain will be parallel to the spine. Depending on the size of the paper, grain long may be what you need. I use handmade sheets that are woven, 19x26 inches, and grain short. After folding it down three times, I get the perfect size sheet for a 6.5x9.5 book with the grain parallel to the spine for rounding.
Here's a good article on grain direction and its effects: J Hewit & Sons Ltd - Skin Deep - Volume 10 - About Paper Grain
I hope this helps.
Cheers!
Flattery
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Re: The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 7)
It seems I've missed some posts and wanted to address current wait time:
Not including the copy I'm currently working on, I still have two more to fulfill. After that, there's four open slots. New orders (if one were to be placed today, for example)are going to be about 8 weeks out (I try to fulfill sooner, but 8 wks is a good estimate), what with trying to balance this project with other work.
There have been two significant things that have impacted my delivery times: 1) a printer hardware problem that required a part to be special ordered, and 2) humidity has shot up to be around 60% most days in the past few weeks, which affects drying and pressing time.
However, I am putting out regular updates via PM to those on the list -- updates on wait time and when I begin work, and when I finish the work.
I'll likely be working all through the weekend on the current copy, as I will be out of state visiting another bookbinder in NY for the first week of July. I'll resume work on Monday the 9th.
Cheers!
It seems I've missed some posts and wanted to address current wait time:
Not including the copy I'm currently working on, I still have two more to fulfill. After that, there's four open slots. New orders (if one were to be placed today, for example)are going to be about 8 weeks out (I try to fulfill sooner, but 8 wks is a good estimate), what with trying to balance this project with other work.
There have been two significant things that have impacted my delivery times: 1) a printer hardware problem that required a part to be special ordered, and 2) humidity has shot up to be around 60% most days in the past few weeks, which affects drying and pressing time.
However, I am putting out regular updates via PM to those on the list -- updates on wait time and when I begin work, and when I finish the work.
I'll likely be working all through the weekend on the current copy, as I will be out of state visiting another bookbinder in NY for the first week of July. I'll resume work on Monday the 9th.
Cheers!
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Flattery
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Re: The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 7)
Nothing terribly fancy here, just a shot of the true 9th engraving bound into the book:
This particular book is a sort of "master copy," containing all 9 LCF engravings. It was a fun way to customize the book. This one is now in the hands of its present owner many, many miles from me.
Nothing terribly fancy here, just a shot of the true 9th engraving bound into the book:
This particular book is a sort of "master copy," containing all 9 LCF engravings. It was a fun way to customize the book. This one is now in the hands of its present owner many, many miles from me.
Re: The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 7)
Perfect, many thanks Flattery for the info.! So i will give it a try with that informations to prevent what happened here :$ This book is just a test, with materials left from other projects. Blank pages, Cover (goatskin), sized about 16x 10,5 cm., 100gr. laser-copy paper.
Nothing to compare with you work Flattery.. i hope it is ok for you to post this pics in your thread. If you are unhappy, let me know and i will take it off.
The intention of the pic was not to show the bad rounding of the book block. Sorry that it is blurry in that area.
Many thanks for your support
Edit: Many thanks for the above pic. Simply perfect! *allthumbsup*
Perfect, many thanks Flattery for the info.! So i will give it a try with that informations to prevent what happened here :$ This book is just a test, with materials left from other projects. Blank pages, Cover (goatskin), sized about 16x 10,5 cm., 100gr. laser-copy paper.
Nothing to compare with you work Flattery.. i hope it is ok for you to post this pics in your thread. If you are unhappy, let me know and i will take it off.
The intention of the pic was not to show the bad rounding of the book block. Sorry that it is blurry in that area.
Many thanks for your support
Edit: Many thanks for the above pic. Simply perfect! *allthumbsup*
Flattery
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Re: The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 7)
Hi, Murdoc.
I don't mind at all -- I appreciate you sharing your work. I'll send you a PM with a couple of observations in hopes that they will help.
Also, I overlooked your question:
Once you have the text block sewn and knocked down flat at the spine, yes, glue it up with a thin coat, enough to get it evenly between the sections. Once dry, round it out as normal, and glue it up again when finished. You can be generous with that second coat to ensure the spine is secured.
Cheers!
Hi, Murdoc.
I don't mind at all -- I appreciate you sharing your work. I'll send you a PM with a couple of observations in hopes that they will help.
Also, I overlooked your question:
Once you have the text block sewn and knocked down flat at the spine, yes, glue it up with a thin coat, enough to get it evenly between the sections. Once dry, round it out as normal, and glue it up again when finished. You can be generous with that second coat to ensure the spine is secured.
Cheers!
Mad Andy
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Re: The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 7)
I am the lucky owner of this book and without any hesitation I can say that the binding work on this volume is extraordinary!
I am an avid antique book collector (20+ years) and have a collection that numbers in the hundreds. Within my collection, I have had to rebind or repair the covers on dozens of books and none of the binding work comes close to the quality and craftsmanship displayed by Flattery's work.
When I unwrapped it, I thought, this is the book from the movie! The tooling, quality of materials, spine banding and staining of the leather make you feel as if you are holding a 400 year old book in your hands.
Hagen's Nine Gates replicas are worth every penny and I'm proud to have one in my collection.
I am the lucky owner of this book and without any hesitation I can say that the binding work on this volume is extraordinary!
I am an avid antique book collector (20+ years) and have a collection that numbers in the hundreds. Within my collection, I have had to rebind or repair the covers on dozens of books and none of the binding work comes close to the quality and craftsmanship displayed by Flattery's work.
When I unwrapped it, I thought, this is the book from the movie! The tooling, quality of materials, spine banding and staining of the leather make you feel as if you are holding a 400 year old book in your hands.
Hagen's Nine Gates replicas are worth every penny and I'm proud to have one in my collection.
Flattery
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Re: The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 7)
It's dusk here, so please forgive the gritty lighting.
There's no gold on this copy yet, nor pattern in the interior of the pentacle (the tool is still heating up) but here's the tooling on a more screen accurate copy for those interested (I'll post more photos when it is finished). Part of the grayish coloration here is because the book is still covered in a very thin coating of wax. But, you get the idea.
This particular book is the Balkan/Telfer copy. The only deviation from screen accuracy is the endsheets, which are black and white marbled as requested. It was also requested that this copy appear to be in new condition, save for some aging of the paper edges. This is why you can see the "strip" running the height of the book -- the leather grain is quite pronounced in this particular skin, suggesting new-ish-ness. I'd call it "moderate use" aging.
More to come.:love
It's dusk here, so please forgive the gritty lighting.
There's no gold on this copy yet, nor pattern in the interior of the pentacle (the tool is still heating up) but here's the tooling on a more screen accurate copy for those interested (I'll post more photos when it is finished). Part of the grayish coloration here is because the book is still covered in a very thin coating of wax. But, you get the idea.
This particular book is the Balkan/Telfer copy. The only deviation from screen accuracy is the endsheets, which are black and white marbled as requested. It was also requested that this copy appear to be in new condition, save for some aging of the paper edges. This is why you can see the "strip" running the height of the book -- the leather grain is quite pronounced in this particular skin, suggesting new-ish-ness. I'd call it "moderate use" aging.
More to come.:love
Re: The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 7)
Oh man, that is just so beautiful, I can't wait!
Oh man, that is just so beautiful, I can't wait!
Same book from last night:
Flattery
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Re: The Nine Gates - NEW PHOTOS (page 7)
Thanks, Murdoc.
About the grain: to each their own, I suppose. In working with historical correctness, crushing the grain should really only be done if there's to be much finishing (blind or gilt). Many French books have had the grain crushed for that purpose. In English and many other forms, crushing the grain was frowned upon because it's a mark of quality skin. Most often it would be left pronounced if there's only moderate tooling to be done (a border and maybe one or two other decorations).
If the skin didn't have much grain to begin with, it would be pastewashed and then a grain worked into it by hand.
If one isn't dealing with historical styles and not having to work with a book dealer or someone else knowledgeable, then it really just comes down to a matter of preference.
Thanks, Murdoc.
About the grain: to each their own, I suppose. In working with historical correctness, crushing the grain should really only be done if there's to be much finishing (blind or gilt). Many French books have had the grain crushed for that purpose. In English and many other forms, crushing the grain was frowned upon because it's a mark of quality skin. Most often it would be left pronounced if there's only moderate tooling to be done (a border and maybe one or two other decorations).
If the skin didn't have much grain to begin with, it would be pastewashed and then a grain worked into it by hand.
If one isn't dealing with historical styles and not having to work with a book dealer or someone else knowledgeable, then it really just comes down to a matter of preference.
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