Magic of Myth ( MoM ) Luke RotJ Hero ( cave build ) lightsaber research, images, reference, & collaborative model builder's discussion.
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Mouse Vader
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The two main reasons I've used this method (or have seen it used) is to :
1. fill a hole you've put in the wrong place.
2. As part of permanently assembling something where you might use a grub screw but you don't want it to show for cosmetic reasons.
If the screw is of the same material you can make this invisible, if you're careful. If there is even a slight difference eg. differing steels, then it starts to show sooner or later but not necessarily by much.
Those pic's of yours thd9791 look just like blanked screws to me - I could be wrong, but it's what they look like.
Doesn't the V3 also have grub screws in the emitter & elsewhere?
1. fill a hole you've put in the wrong place.
2. As part of permanently assembling something where you might use a grub screw but you don't want it to show for cosmetic reasons.
If the screw is of the same material you can make this invisible, if you're careful. If there is even a slight difference eg. differing steels, then it starts to show sooner or later but not necessarily by much.
Those pic's of yours thd9791 look just like blanked screws to me - I could be wrong, but it's what they look like.
Doesn't the V3 also have grub screws in the emitter & elsewhere?
A well made peen on a sword pommel is also very similar, so this seems a sound theory.
Mouse Vader
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Have had time to go over the thread more. Found some more (?) Sorry cluttering with pic's but this may have significance.
Left of red dot.
enhanced.
and.
enhanced.
That one in the neck just plain looks like a grub screw to me. Can't find anything on the weather vane yet but this is well over painted / or the neck one is doing the same job?
Enhanced booster pommel ones from earlier - below red dot.
& to spoil it (lightly enhanced).
If you look at how the light is bright at the top of both the dimple & grub screw hole as the same in both - this one's defo a inward dimple so isn't blanked off in the way I described.
That said the one on the emitter side (pic 1 & 2) is defo proud as is that 'grub screw' in the neck. The postion of all of these 'marks' is really close to both V2 & V3 screws & that's too many just to be mere co-incidence of dings or photo artifact.
Left of red dot.
enhanced.
and.
enhanced.
That one in the neck just plain looks like a grub screw to me. Can't find anything on the weather vane yet but this is well over painted / or the neck one is doing the same job?
Enhanced booster pommel ones from earlier - below red dot.
& to spoil it (lightly enhanced).
If you look at how the light is bright at the top of both the dimple & grub screw hole as the same in both - this one's defo a inward dimple so isn't blanked off in the way I described.
That said the one on the emitter side (pic 1 & 2) is defo proud as is that 'grub screw' in the neck. The postion of all of these 'marks' is really close to both V2 & V3 screws & that's too many just to be mere co-incidence of dings or photo artifact.
Some of these look like circles and some look like smudges. Have you been able to find the neck one in any clearer shots?
I definitely see the pommel one but it's so faint! I'm starting to doubt this idea, even though it makes sense for the electronic gag and for blade retention
I remember someone recently cleaned up their Denix Mauser sight by dressing a screw and re-drilling the hole a little lower. It was almost invisible
I definitely see the pommel one but it's so faint! I'm starting to doubt this idea, even though it makes sense for the electronic gag and for blade retention
I remember someone recently cleaned up their Denix Mauser sight by dressing a screw and re-drilling the hole a little lower. It was almost invisible
Mouse Vader
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I think you're right about the black one. The pair of white marks are in the same orientation in all photo's where you can see it, I think it's a pair of paint chips. It's just unfortunate that they're directly in line with the nipple grub screw,
I have more confidence in the one on the emitter - but it Is very hard to see, but that's the point isn't it. It is there - ish, in some other shots & not in others none are better than my 1st 2 pic's. The orientation/position does not change though, so I'd say it's on the metal whatever it is and circular.
I retract that it's proud, none are - got over exited.
There's another interesting mark I've found too. I'll see what I can do picture wise if I have time later.
I also think - if true - that they're pins not screws. A slightly short pin driven in too far will give you a dimple. Their easier & much quicker to do. generally with better results but with certain other draw backs to compensate. I was thinking screw because of the ubiquity of grub screws on these things. I'll provide more detail (later) on how this is done if folk want to know.
I have more confidence in the one on the emitter - but it Is very hard to see, but that's the point isn't it. It is there - ish, in some other shots & not in others none are better than my 1st 2 pic's. The orientation/position does not change though, so I'd say it's on the metal whatever it is and circular.
I retract that it's proud, none are - got over exited.
There's another interesting mark I've found too. I'll see what I can do picture wise if I have time later.
I also think - if true - that they're pins not screws. A slightly short pin driven in too far will give you a dimple. Their easier & much quicker to do. generally with better results but with certain other draw backs to compensate. I was thinking screw because of the ubiquity of grub screws on these things. I'll provide more detail (later) on how this is done if folk want to know.
Mouse Vader
Sr Member
Run out of time today - sorry. Try & post something tomorrow evening.
Mouse Vader
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Just have time to do the new anomaly - left of red dot. Looks like a dark circle half covered by the booster section.
Mouse Vader
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Blanking pins & screws.
Two silver steel pins - one short, one longer - one stainless grub screw.
'long' pin inserted (squeezed in with vice - see below).
dressed down nearly flush.
Peined to upset (swell) the end into the hole.
Pin dressed flush - grub screw screwed in then sawn off close.
Short pin being push in. Screw was dressed flush (note black line at top which is the end of the screw thread - I didn't pein this before dressing, which would get rid, to show what this looks like) with short pin sitting nearly flush.
All dressed flush then finished with file & emery in the lathe.
Short pin punched a little further in to give 'dimple'.
These show how steel looks in aluminium and the long pin is a dead ringer for the half moon seen in my previous post.
Of course if you want invisible, no problemo...
Two silver steel pins - one short, one longer - one stainless grub screw.
'long' pin inserted (squeezed in with vice - see below).
dressed down nearly flush.
Peined to upset (swell) the end into the hole.
Pin dressed flush - grub screw screwed in then sawn off close.
Short pin being push in. Screw was dressed flush (note black line at top which is the end of the screw thread - I didn't pein this before dressing, which would get rid, to show what this looks like) with short pin sitting nearly flush.
All dressed flush then finished with file & emery in the lathe.
Short pin punched a little further in to give 'dimple'.
These show how steel looks in aluminium and the long pin is a dead ringer for the half moon seen in my previous post.
Of course if you want invisible, no problemo...
Mouse Vader
Sr Member
Or has a thin rim or ( & I think more likely) the screw was machined through. It's nearly a half circle how else is it going to get there ?
Guys, I think a lot of what you're seeing here at tool marks and rubbing marks that result from wear over time. When I examined the saber a decade ago, I was struck by all the milling marks on the pommel and the lathe tool marks that were readily visible along the saber body. Since then, even in archival care, the saber has lost a bit of paint and received quite a bit of wear. Aluminum is quote soft and pics up signs of wear very easily.
Exactly Dan, there is also a few photos floating around with all the remnants of the original tool marks all over the hilt.. which can rule out any sanding being done to the hilt
One down side to this hobby is the placebo effect, once I see it everyone sees it.
As for the mark under the emitter face, kinda looks like a simple milling mark, and the machinist changed his/her mind and moved the hole to the nipple inside of the v2 location
As for all the other marks over the saber, this was a stunt saber originally
These things are carried around in big boxes with other metal stunts banging around inside, the stunts weren’t meant for close ups so them being thrown around on set wasn’t a big deal
All the pictures I have seen just looks like wear and tear
Mouse Vader
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I thought this was meant to be a stunt converted & spruced up Specifically for a close up shot where all those dings & things ( not to menton grub screws) would show up if not addressed. Leaving as turned on the lathe would probably do (or rather did). I tidied my example as i used extruded tube & wanted the machine marks radial not longitudinal.
The shots from the exhibition look like it's in pretty good nick considering but I differ to someone who's seen it close up.
I would take all your comments without salt if it weren't for the fact that the marks I'm pointing at weren't 1) all circular & 2) in exactly the same locations we see grub screws on other stunt sabers & that's far too coincidental for me not pay it close scrutiny.
It wouldn't take long to put in the aluminium plugs needed hide the holes/grub screws (for the close up) & these can also be left as machined as I could have done.
Perhaps some one with a 3d cad wire frame could map the position & overlay on the various photo's to check they're remaining put ? or compare to, say, the V3?
That's true (but not a placebo effect more autosuggestion but I know what you mean) - it's also true, particularly amongst theorists, that when faced with the choice of changing ones mind or proving you don't have to that most people set about the proof.
Could be. That dimple has me foxed but it's not the scenario you outline - you don't drill holes with an end mill.
I've teased another view of one out here.
Just because your not suppose to drill holes with a end mill bit doesn’t mean you physically can’t...
It’s a Star Wars prop.. we have seen all kinds of crazy stuff
They could have used that end mill mark as a pilot hole for the drill bit and changed their mind
Anything is possible
I appreciate your hard work and detective skills with these plugs, but we have guys here who have examined the hilt by hand
And like I’ve said, if they were cut off screws grub screws, or keeper keys the hilt would have had to been sanded or turned smooth.. with all the remaining battle scars and machine marks we can rule that out
And realistically it’s unfair to you because you haven’t seen the high rez photo I’m not allowed to share.
The finish is terrible.. I mean you can REALLY see the tooling... some photos posted up if you look close enough in certain areas they have some of the tooling in them
So in the long run I’m not trying to come off as a jerk and disagree because of a personal belief... I’ve seen it with my own eyes and I just don’t want you wasting any more of your time. Because your really good at detective work
It’s a Star Wars prop.. we have seen all kinds of crazy stuff
They could have used that end mill mark as a pilot hole for the drill bit and changed their mind
Anything is possible
I appreciate your hard work and detective skills with these plugs, but we have guys here who have examined the hilt by hand
And like I’ve said, if they were cut off screws grub screws, or keeper keys the hilt would have had to been sanded or turned smooth.. with all the remaining battle scars and machine marks we can rule that out
And realistically it’s unfair to you because you haven’t seen the high rez photo I’m not allowed to share.
The finish is terrible.. I mean you can REALLY see the tooling... some photos posted up if you look close enough in certain areas they have some of the tooling in them
So in the long run I’m not trying to come off as a jerk and disagree because of a personal belief... I’ve seen it with my own eyes and I just don’t want you wasting any more of your time. Because your really good at detective work
Mouse Vader
Sr Member
Ok H. I'll crack on with my saber build.
incidentally FYI you physiaclly can't drill a hole with an end mill.
incidentally FYI you physiaclly can't drill a hole with an end mill.
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