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Not surprised they would do something that idiotic, but in the EU he still had the 501st. Vader probably likes the things that were associated with Anakin's combat prowess, which would include the 501st. The things he wouldn't like are things that would reawaken feelings that would stop him from burying Anakin, like Tatooine, Padme, etc.
 
Vader could be a masocist and purposefully keep things that remind him of his previous life to torment himself over his failure.

Vader isnt exactly the most sane person and there are several instances where he showed how much he hates himself.
In legends, Vader once fights a resurrected Maul and kills him by stabbing his lightsaber through himself. When questioned what Vader could hate so much to overpower Maul's own hate, Vader replies "myself."

Again legends but dark side users can channel their hate and rage to heal their body. I believe there is an instance where Vader uses that rage to heal some of his injuries from Mustafar but the happiness he feels then undermines his rage and keeps him as is.

Vader also becomes super into the Empire and dedicates his life to it. Choosing to lead the 501st because they are the best despite his feelings would also be in character for him.
 
Vader could be a masocist and purposefully keep things that remind him of his previous life to torment himself over his failure.

Vader isnt exactly the most sane person and there are several instances where he showed how much he hates himself.
In legends, Vader once fights a resurrected Maul and kills him by stabbing his lightsaber through himself. When questioned what Vader could hate so much to overpower Maul's own hate, Vader replies "myself."

Again legends but dark side users can channel their hate and rage to heal their body. I believe there is an instance where Vader uses that rage to heal some of his injuries from Mustafar but the happiness he feels then undermines his rage and keeps him as is.

Vader also becomes super into the Empire and dedicates his life to it. Choosing to lead the 501st because they are the best despite his feelings would also be in character for him.

You might be thinking of the novel Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader. I remember a part where he is using his meditation chamber to heal himself and he's using the Dark Side to help heal. I think he is able to breathe for the first time, in the chamber, without his helmet and it makes him happy which interrupts the process.
 
Has anyone seen those 1950's Star Wars Super Panavision 70 videos? I'd like to see that old look style ( Not AI) more than what is currently coming out.
"From the desolate sands of Tatooine, to the bustling streets of Coru-scant" lol (please forgive me if this has been discussed already)

 
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Has anyone seen those 1950's Star Wars Super Panavision 70 videos? I'd like to see that stuff more than what is currently coming out.
"From the desolate sands of Tatooine, to the bustling streets of Coru-scant" lol (please forgive me if this has been discussed already)

Those throwbacks are pretty cool, but i just hate the use of AI in everything like that now. Seems like no one can do anything on their own. Its definitely much faster to do it the "AI WAY" but i cannot stand it.
 
Those throwbacks are pretty cool, but i just hate the use of AI in everything like that now. Seems like no one can do anything on their own. Its definitely much faster to do it the "AI WAY" but i cannot stand it.
Oh, I 100% agree with you...I wasn't talking about the AI , I have an affinity for the " old" stuff lol. I was actually making a joke though because the current stuff is still worse than this in my opinion, and I hate the thought of AI replacing real actors and actresses. This was definitely not an attempt by me to promote AI. I meant the 1950s " look".

Thanks for alerting me to be more clear on my communication. I edited the post.
 
I've wondered what the PT would have looked like if the movies had been made a generation before the OT.

If you space them out with the correct fictional timeline from ANH then it takes them back pretty far. That puts Ep#1 in about 1945, which might be too early. It might not get the budget & spectacle that the movie requires.

But if the PT movies were all filmed only 3 years apart (like they really were in 1999-2005) then you could fit the whole PT into the 'Ben-Hur' and 'Cleopatra' era. That seems fitting for their epic tone and SFX.


It would also be interesting to see 'Solo' and 'Rogue One' being made in the early/mid-1970s leading up to ANH. It seems fitting for the tone of those times, particularly RO.
 
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I've wondered what the PT would have looked like if the movies had been made chronologically before the OT. I think that would put them at 1945, 1955, and 1958.

1945 is perhaps a bit too early for colossal SFX that Ep#1 would require (even with the expectations lowered to fit the tech they had). But seeing the other two prequels as 1950s movies would be interesting.
Man, I just love the OT. The whole look and feel of it. Watching the PT in the style of the 10 commandments with Charlton Heston would have been something. The OT is a masterpiece. I have always said a live action, on location, with the exact filming, cameras, feel, look etc. Is what most fans would pay to see. Even with all that, you still need the magic of the storyteller and of course, a cast that you actually care about. I know...we are asking a lot...lol.

I would have loved to have seen a KOTOR movie done OT style but KOTOR has a darker overall feel. Imagine HK-47 in the OT? Lol, actually he would be so sinister with the 1950s theme. Lol
 
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IMO George was going for a costume drama feel with ep#1, making it invoke the audience's idea of previous centuries. Big ornate costumes & makeup on the royalty. Lots of lush green topography in some places, lots of middle-eastern desert landscape in others. Proper/rigid tones of speaking and body language on the characters. This is the sort of stuff that viewers are used to getting in an old movie set in 1800s England, or some middle-eastern show set in ancient times like 'Ben-Hur'. I think ep#1 was intended to feel like a 'period piece' in the SW universe.

Ep#1 is easy to imagine in the 1950s. Jar-Jar and the battle droids would have to be humans in costumes, etc, but the basic bones of it would work.

Ep#2-3 would be harder to imagine in that era because there wasn't a lot of top-grade space fantasy being done at the time. Science fiction in that era was mostly cheap B-movies and the occasional realistic show like '2001.' They weren't doing space fantasy with high aspirations & budgets, which is what Star Wars is.
 
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I didn't think of this when I brought it up but we're talking the "50s" and we are fast approaching the 50th anniversary of Star Wars. It's just crazy to me because I still remember the very first time I saw all 3 and in some ways, doesn't feel that long ago. What I remember the most, even as a little kid, was " that look". That look as Luke looked out to the horizon, but most of all, that look "Ben" , while fighting Darth Vader, gives as he sees Luke then smiles at Vader. It was those little things, along with the score, that carried so much weight and pulled you in.
 
IMO George was going for a costume drama feel with ep#1, making it invoke the audience's idea of previous centuries. Big ornate costumes & makeup on the royalty. Lots of lush green topography in some places, lots of middle-eastern desert landscape in others. Proper/rigid tones of speaking and body language on the characters. This is the sort of stuff that viewers are used to getting in an old movie set in 1800s England, or some middle-eastern show set in ancient times like 'Ben-Hur'. I think ep#1 was intended to feel like a 'period piece' in the SW universe.

Ep#1 is easy to imagine in the 1950s. Jar-Jar and the battle droids would have to be humans in costumes, etc, but the basic bones of it would work.

Ep#2-3 would be harder to imagine in that era because there wasn't a lot of top-grade space fantasy being done at the time. Science fiction in that era was mostly cheap B-movies and the occasional realistic show like '2001.' They weren't doing space fantasy with high aspirations & budgets, which is what Star Wars is.

I am going to readily agree that all the land stuff and battles could have easily been pulled off as Ben Hur and Cleopatra showed well.

But I think the use of men in suits for robots would have been much preferred to the PT's clankers. The moment that CopperRevan started down this path the image was wandering in my head and then you mentioned it as well. The famous art deco robots like 3PO, the ones I imagine as Isaac Asimov bots would look near terminator level at that time in movie history.

I would be all in for that.

(Fritz Lang's Metropolis 1927) where, apparently, Amidala would have been a clone and a droid...

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I'm not propping the film for it's content as it is a very political revolution film on both sides of the worst time in our history and I couldn't personally display the bot without cautioning that the film is loaded with partial nudity that no one told me about while telling me how great it was... But, this bot was just as good as 3PO and was mobile so I would think, ditch the clankers and put in humanoid droids like this, but maybe the masculine or neuter version:

Remember this is 1927:

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fully capable of movement

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If you see the film (rating would be past R) and understand it's plot (the subversion of the people, who are living in a giant machine like city, aka coruscant, by an evil but secretive mastermind, to instigate a revolution by sending in the beautiful and admired maiden socialist leader (a clone and a droid) and the revolution then goes too far) and you see the costumes (the very obvious Twi'lek dance and Leia slave outfit, multiple Amidala outfits, the C3PO bot), you get a pretty good sense it was an inspiration for George's writing and drawings.

Although the film already has an impressive soundtrack/score, if you coupled this silent film with the masterpiece work of Gustav Holst's 1917, The Planets (John William's inspiration for his Star Wars music), you would most seriously have the true prequel to the prequels that inspired Star Wars episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 (but with nudity). Here is a link to The Planets, listen to it all.


Metropolis was a major inspiration to Ralph McQuarrie's art as well (multiple pieces are direct replicas of Metropolis characters) with a full on duplication of the Metropolis bot, but in male form, as his first offering to George.

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The article explains that this artwork not only hooked Anthony Daniels but the movie money backers as well.

my apologies if this was already brought up in the last 502 pages ;)
 
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Has anyone seen those 1950's Star Wars Super Panavision 70 videos? I'd like to see that old look style ( Not AI) more than what is currently coming out.
"From the desolate sands of Tatooine, to the bustling streets of Coru-scant" lol (please forgive me if this has been discussed already)

they are done incrediblely good
 
I am going to readily agree that all the land stuff and battles could have easily been pulled off as Ben Hur and Cleopatra showed well.

But I think the use of men in suits for robots would have been much preferred to the PT's clankers. The moment that CopperRevan started down this path the image was wandering in my head and then you mentioned it as well. The famous art deco robots like 3PO, the ones I imagine as Isaac Asimov bots would look near terminator level at that time in movie history.

I would be all in for that.

(Fritz Lang's Metropolis 1927) where, apparently, Amidala would have been a clone and a droid...

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Now you've taken the imagery and provoked me down a path that digs deeper into the message and the story...lol. It is much deeper than meets the eye and it's a silent film, which by nature, forces your mind to think and all i can say is...Very prophetic film of our world today on so many different levels and clearly a callback to Revelation chapter 17. (the woman that rides the beast). One thing films lack today is 'Intrigue'. As these themes circle around in my mind i can't help thinking that films of yesteryear reflected the thoughts of the generation yet, in my view, looked ways ahead, whereas films of today, which also reflect its own generation, sort of stagnate in a swamp of despondency. To properly wrap my thought up on this subject, it makes total sense as (talking about AI) that the reason for such despondency is that, as a society, the technology has replaced the heart and soul of a person and a people and no wonder the lack of vision. Where lack of vision is, the people perish.

As "Metropolis" points to,or is predictive of, society becomes so enthralled by a technological image, preceded by apathy and a lack of moral foundation beyond 'self', that calls to them like a siren to worship this image and to exalt it, thereby enslaving themselves to it. In other words, when you've arrived at the pinnacle of the imagery (AI) it is still not enough to please people, it must be ascribed to something tangible.( which is proven through many addictions). So, because mankind can't really create because he was created, for he can only re-create what already exists, the pinnacle of his re-creation would be a technologically built person with AI imagery. For one man/machine to have all known information at its disposal for immediate use and to have its' creators (Mankind) bow down to it, it would be the ultimate pinnacle of mankinds fall, as what started in his heart has now been revealed "in the flesh" and he now worships the creation of his own hands. A societal Mystery Tower of Babel, if you will, to exalt 'self' above all and worship mankinds greatest achievement as man declares himself to be the ultimate authority in the universe. Any who dare oppsose this is deemed an immediate threat and labeled as "evil" and the natural result of this is death as the persecutors bask in their drunkenness, believing themselves to be the ultimate good.

You must have something physical in order to understand something spiritually and just as there was a physical tower of Babel back in Genesis chapter 11, there is a spiritual or "Mystery" tower of babel predicted in Revelation chapter 17. ( These scriptual references were just swirling in my head and are being used to support my thoughts on this)

The thing that blows my mind on this is that Fritz Lang was supposedly an atheist but believed religion to be useful for teaching ethics. If Metropolis was any inspiration at all to George Lucas, it becomes very indicative of Anakin Skywalkers fall and the overrall deception by Palpatine. Keeping in mind, Metropolis being in the 1920's, appeared before the rise of Adolph Hitler and WW2, all of which themes are incorporated into the Star Wars universe. Lucas, of course, has openly stated his religious themes and inspirations that were woven in as well. The expression of thought or theme by both Lang and Lucas still hinges on good and evil, not ambiguity, and provokes the audience to contemplation not conformity. One of the biggest mistakes movies make(not just today) is instead of provoking thought, they try to tell you how to think or are just plain thoughtless anyways.
 
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