Absolutely. It's tough when the writing sucks so bad.
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Absolutely. It's tough when the writing sucks so bad.
alluvial damper
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Obviously, it's a subtitel error
The pilot's name is 2L8, duh ..
The pilot's name is 2L8, duh ..
They could have EASILY explained Holdo wearing a dress by saying that she was at a gala and was recalled on short notice. Of course she would have time to change in the shuttle, but anything would be better.
Why would they need to explain why Holdo wearing a dress? Wasn’t Leia wearing a dress when she was commanding on the bridge during a space battle when the bridge was hit in EP8?
Joek3rr
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I was going to say. Why are they making a big deal (in the book) about Holdo not wearing a uniform? Leia doesn't.
ghostryder
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Forgot about this one:
Yeah; they did her and several others wrong. I also think her death was poorly written.
Leia wasn't a military officer in that movie, Holdo was. Leia never had an official Alliance military rank, despite having a uniform in ROTJ.
I thought Leia was a General and Holdo was a Vice-Admiral? Was Leia no longer a General from EP7 to EP8?
...I try to keep my mind clear, and take a deep breath, because there was SUCH a better, more obvious and meaningful way to have done the EXACT SAME THING...
The Holdo character didn't need to exist. Just replace her with Admiral Gial Ackbar (heck, he was THERE anyway!) and continue the story as-is. Perhaps with a mild change so that he's not a jerk to Poe Dameron, leading Poe to treason. Ackbar's death would have meant SO MUCH MORE if he would have been the one to stay behind and ram the Raddus cruiser at light speed into the Supremacy.
Joek3rr
Master Member
I don't know if I agree. I don't see Poe doing what he did, if Ackbar was in command. Holdo is kinda tailor made to rub Poe the wrong way, right from the start.
Rawktrooper
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Isnt it funny how much Disney wants to do fan service for every other character in every other show, but they have an obvious Ackbar ON THE BRIDGE and they do nothing with him. Instead to give some annoying actor friend of the director a role that has meaning and trash it all. And they just sweep Ackbar out into space. Criminal.
It should have been Ackbar. But the whole trilogy meant nothing anyways. How many characters did they ruin with it? Its high. Its very high.
If you want names.. let me know.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Blowing Admiral Ackbar out into space very unceremoniously is one thing. Having him fill Holdo's role in the story is an entirely other thing.
Talk about ruining characters. They would have had to completely rewrite the way Admiral Ackbar had previously been portrayed. A new "throwaway" character is better for that role.
It would have been nice to see him live or die differently. But play the foil to Poe? No thank you. That's not my Admiral Ackbar.
Riceball
Master Member
This whole discussion about Ackbar vs. Holdo is just so typical of Star Wars Fans today and why Disney is in a damned if they do and damned if they don't situation. If they had put Ackabar in the Holdo role fans would complained that it was it was out of character, the mask had a spot that was 1mm too large, the eyes were the wrong shade of yellow, etc. and they should have just made a new character. Of course, they make a new character, and the fans complain that they created a new character, and they should have used a legacy character like Ackbar.
ScourgiousJinx
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I have little sympathy for Disney although I do appreciate that fans today are more difficult to appease. Fans get annoyed when what Disney does sucks regardless of what the circumstances are. If Holdo were a decent character and well written/acted less people would've been bothered by her regardless of her being new. If they used Akbar(or any other legacy character), were able to write him well and it made sense, far less would've had an issue. Good writing is not about checklists.
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It's the nuked refrigerator issue.
When fans like the movie, you can throw Indy out of a plane with an inflatable raft. Or have him dragged across the Mediterranean clinging to a periscope. Or Luke Skywalker can make a gigantic space station explode with one little shot into a tailpipe.
But when fans dislike the movie as a whole . . . then they start tearing into everything. Plausibility, tone, respect for characters, etc.
When fans like the movie, you can throw Indy out of a plane with an inflatable raft. Or have him dragged across the Mediterranean clinging to a periscope. Or Luke Skywalker can make a gigantic space station explode with one little shot into a tailpipe.
But when fans dislike the movie as a whole . . . then they start tearing into everything. Plausibility, tone, respect for characters, etc.
Rawktrooper
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I totally agree.. if the writing and the story is good its hard to argue little things. There just arent as many. Little things add up when the whole of the story is lacking.
Writing comes down to how a character is portrayed. Ruining characters is not good writing, that just says you dont know who the character is.
My entire argument about D+ shows is the lack of good story. Hey the first season of Mandalorian.. AWESOME. THAT is what we want.
I have plenty i have liked about new Star Wars... but i also have plenty i do not like. Its quite clear it comes down to story.
So you can say what you want about fans poo pooing this or that.. and how finicky or picky they are.. but really, if you put out a good story, they have nothing to complain about.
Writing comes down to how a character is portrayed. Ruining characters is not good writing, that just says you dont know who the character is.
My entire argument about D+ shows is the lack of good story. Hey the first season of Mandalorian.. AWESOME. THAT is what we want.
I have plenty i have liked about new Star Wars... but i also have plenty i do not like. Its quite clear it comes down to story.
So you can say what you want about fans poo pooing this or that.. and how finicky or picky they are.. but really, if you put out a good story, they have nothing to complain about.
It's all about the writing. It always is. The reason why fans are so much more critical is because we've HAD better so we know what the potential can be. We know that the new stories will never be the same as the originals, but that doesn't mean they can't be good in their own way. The studio just needs to hire better writers, and let the truly creative people do their thing, without stifling them or imposing their restrictions on them. They need people with vision. It's clear that they're rudderless and have no direction with what they own, or how to use/ manage it.
The fact that the first season of Mando was largely embraced by most fans tells you that it's not the fandom that's the problem, but the studio failing to understand that the audience wants something fresh. Mando season 1 had the potential to deliver something new and they squandered it all the following season with cameos in place of developing their new heroes. Even I was impressed that they took a chance with that show when it first came out. It was a step in the right direction.
The fact that the first season of Mando was largely embraced by most fans tells you that it's not the fandom that's the problem, but the studio failing to understand that the audience wants something fresh. Mando season 1 had the potential to deliver something new and they squandered it all the following season with cameos in place of developing their new heroes. Even I was impressed that they took a chance with that show when it first came out. It was a step in the right direction.
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