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CB2001
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I thought I posted this a few days ago, but can't seem to find it now. Sorry if a repeat....
In ROTJ, when Luke severed Vader's mechanical right hand/saber, why did Vader yield so quickly? His saber was gone, but he had not lost his strength or his Force powers. What gives? Certainly, Vader knew that Palpatine was going to cull him and have Luke as his new apprentice.
In ROTJ, when Luke severed Vader's mechanical right hand/saber, why did Vader yield so quickly? His saber was gone, but he had not lost his strength or his Force powers. What gives? Certainly, Vader knew that Palpatine was going to cull him and have Luke as his new apprentice.
Joek3rr
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The Y-wing.
Long before "Thrift store Boba" was zooming around in his stripped down and hot rodded Naboo Starfighter. The Y-wing was that ship. Or at least that's what Joe Johnston imagined for the ship. But it wouldn't be until 1998 and the release of the first Incredible Cross-sections book, that we would get an idea of what the ship could have looked like when brand new.
When I first saw this a kid, it blew my mind! I loved it. The idea that the Y-wing had a sleek covering at one time, was so cool. As an adult I love it's simplicity. Nothing to crazy. Just plating over the exposed bits. And those sweeping yellow markings. It's got a real 70's vibe.
But in 2008, in the first season of The Clone Wars. We would get another take on what the Y-wing might have looked liked.
Dubbed the BTL-B Y-wing. (The Rebellion using primarily the BTL-A4 and BTL-S3 and others) This version adds a lot more plating and bulks up the ship considerably. And gives a nod to Colin Cantwell Y-wing with the bubble turret. (It also convoluted the history of the Rebel variant. And then Star Wars Rebels made even more convoluted, but I'll save that for another post.)
Maybe it's because of nostalgia. But the 2008 version has never resonated with me. Though it makes for some cool cut away images.
But I feel it's too bulked up. The previous version has a sleekness almost an elegance that you wouldn't think to associate with the old battered ships we see attack the Death Star.
What do you guys think? Which is your favorite?
(One last thing. I was going to use some image of the of the BTL-B from Battlefront 2. But discovered that the cockpit is sizably smaller then it should be.)
Long before "Thrift store Boba" was zooming around in his stripped down and hot rodded Naboo Starfighter. The Y-wing was that ship. Or at least that's what Joe Johnston imagined for the ship. But it wouldn't be until 1998 and the release of the first Incredible Cross-sections book, that we would get an idea of what the ship could have looked like when brand new.
When I first saw this a kid, it blew my mind! I loved it. The idea that the Y-wing had a sleek covering at one time, was so cool. As an adult I love it's simplicity. Nothing to crazy. Just plating over the exposed bits. And those sweeping yellow markings. It's got a real 70's vibe.
But in 2008, in the first season of The Clone Wars. We would get another take on what the Y-wing might have looked liked.
Dubbed the BTL-B Y-wing. (The Rebellion using primarily the BTL-A4 and BTL-S3 and others) This version adds a lot more plating and bulks up the ship considerably. And gives a nod to Colin Cantwell Y-wing with the bubble turret. (It also convoluted the history of the Rebel variant. And then Star Wars Rebels made even more convoluted, but I'll save that for another post.)
Maybe it's because of nostalgia. But the 2008 version has never resonated with me. Though it makes for some cool cut away images.
But I feel it's too bulked up. The previous version has a sleekness almost an elegance that you wouldn't think to associate with the old battered ships we see attack the Death Star.
What do you guys think? Which is your favorite?
(One last thing. I was going to use some image of the of the BTL-B from Battlefront 2. But discovered that the cockpit is sizably smaller then it should be.)
Joek3rr
Master Member
One way to see it. Vader is Sith. And that's the way of the Sith. The strong survive. The weak don't. Vader is resigned to his fate, whether that is Luke killing him and ascending. Or Palpatine killing him and replacing him.
Joek3rr
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Why Tales of the Jedi? This has nothing to do with the Dark Horse series. And particularly after Tom Veitch's recent passing. Not the hottest idea.
And there's more Ahsoka, and she's at Padmé's funeral.....oh please. And I'm pretty sure that retcons the Ahsoka novel. So much for a single cohesive continuity. There's a definite Canon hierarchy still. With the comics and books being less "Canon."
And Mace has his AOTC lightsaber? Shouldn't he have a different lightsaber this early?
And Yaddle used to be alive during The Clone Wars, I think.
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Some one get me a thermometer!! I need to check the 7 circles of hell, see if they are frozen over, because this is the first I’ve seen joker complain about Star Wars!!
Teasing buddy
The original, hands down.
I like a lot of the PT designs, but the OT is all I have in my heart.
Joek3rr
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I was going to say, Canon used to mean just George's works....but heck...it didn't mean anything then either. Lol
Joek3rr
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I think I'm getting more cynical in my old ageWhoa whoa whoa whoa!!!
Whoa!!!
Some one get me a thermometer!! I need to check the 7 circles of hell, see if they are frozen over, because this is the first I’ve seen joker complain about Star Wars!!
Teasing buddy
This show is nothing but 6 short Clone Wars episodes. Nothing new or distinct that I'm seeing here. For a company that tried so hard to distance itself from the prequels when they announced the ST, they're really leaning into the Prequel nostalgia pretty hard now because it's in demand.
You're not getting more cynical Joek3rr . You're just beginning to understand what us older fans take issue with because the things you enjoy about the series are being altered unnecessarily. I can understand your frustration.
You're not getting more cynical Joek3rr . You're just beginning to understand what us older fans take issue with because the things you enjoy about the series are being altered unnecessarily. I can understand your frustration.
HeartBlade
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Agreed. Cashing in on name brand although Jedi Tales doesnt have the same ring (Jedi tales wooo).
The Padme funeral was a big occasion so maybe Ahsoka was in the background. I do think the canon hierarchy is films, then comics/books as long as they dont break canon, then everything else (pretty sure video games are non-canon or alt-canon at best like Force Unleashed) although Disney has changed that by saying Fallen order is canon.
Cant see the hilt well enough but it should not have any electum (gold plating) on it since electum is reserved for council members only. Not sure when Windu became a master to be exact but Dooku seems young here so probably still not a master yet.
Although they have Dooku right with having his curved hilt, he was a pretty straight-laced jedi based on his book iirc. He isnt this dark master that was flirting with the dark side, especially while training Qui Gon. If anything, he was an exemplary jedi that was Qui Gon's idol and didnt really become disillusioned with the jedi and republic until Qui Gon's death.
Joek3rr
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Extra suspicious that The Tales of the Jedi comic just got a reprint...
I mean, yeah the funeral was huge. It's just kind of, I don't know, ridiculous. It's just one of those things. Ahsoka is so important, yet is never spoken of, or is just conveniently out of frame.
Well when Lucasfilm rebooted the continuity officially in 2014, it was to do away with the old Canon hierarchy, and replace it with a single coherent continuity. Video games, comics, shows, movies, all one continuity. (The Force Unleashed was in the C-canon in the EU, though it did retcon a few things.) Before that most EU inhabited C-canon, which was under G-canon and eventually under T-canon (introduced with The Clone Wars.) Continuity errors were dealt with one at a time, with offending material getting relegated to S-canon. And all old the Marvel comics were placed there. As continuity got s kind of soft reboot with the creation of the EU.
Apparently "Canon" has retconned Mace's TPM lightsaber.
So I guess the show is being consistent with current continuity, though not with the films. Which is nothing new. TCW doesn't align very well with the films.
From the leaks it sounds like the Dooku novel might be getting retconned a bit too.
I can't take any of the changes seriously. I mean if you're going to claim an all encompassing canon as being official, and then immediately change it because you found yourself backed into a corner, then just don't announce that it's all part of this cohesive story. At least that way it would be a more honest approach. I'm not discounting George's changes either, but since Disney owns the thing, and has for a decade, the focus is on them now. They own it. They control it, and their first official order of business was to proclaim that their canon was all reaching, even down to the ancillary material. Lucas isn't involved anymore, so his direction and way of doing things isn't relevant to the brand as it has been for a decade. I don't care how much they claim they're "honoring his legacy," they'll do whatever they can to keep the brand going.
When the writers realized that it backed them into a corner, they downplayed that proclamation and made whatever changes they deemed necessary to sell new product. That's the problem with telling stories with the same characters over and over again. You try and bring some finality, some agency to a story by upping the tension. Characters die, organizations change allegiences, stories are suddenly embraced by millions because they're done so well, and then you undo ALL of it when you keep trying to pull blood from a stone and changing things to appease shareholders rather than trust that an audience might just want something new.
Until they start moving away from the known, they will only further dilute, or outright destroy what came before. So if they honestly believe that the brand is bigger than the Skywalkers, or the Rebel/ Imperial conflict, as so many claim it to be, then they better invent new characters and scenarios to show off this unlimited scope that they keep bragging is infused into Star Wars as a brand. Mandalorian is the ONLY thing that tried something totally new. Rogue One still relied on the Rebel/ Imperial conflict, and Andor will be the same, so that doesn't count. No more Ashoka and Clone Wars 5.0 or whatever version they're doing now. No more Luke. No more Han, or Obi-Wan. No legacy characters. NEW characters. NEW scenarios.
Until then, it's just more of the same and the brand will die.
When the writers realized that it backed them into a corner, they downplayed that proclamation and made whatever changes they deemed necessary to sell new product. That's the problem with telling stories with the same characters over and over again. You try and bring some finality, some agency to a story by upping the tension. Characters die, organizations change allegiences, stories are suddenly embraced by millions because they're done so well, and then you undo ALL of it when you keep trying to pull blood from a stone and changing things to appease shareholders rather than trust that an audience might just want something new.
Until they start moving away from the known, they will only further dilute, or outright destroy what came before. So if they honestly believe that the brand is bigger than the Skywalkers, or the Rebel/ Imperial conflict, as so many claim it to be, then they better invent new characters and scenarios to show off this unlimited scope that they keep bragging is infused into Star Wars as a brand. Mandalorian is the ONLY thing that tried something totally new. Rogue One still relied on the Rebel/ Imperial conflict, and Andor will be the same, so that doesn't count. No more Ashoka and Clone Wars 5.0 or whatever version they're doing now. No more Luke. No more Han, or Obi-Wan. No legacy characters. NEW characters. NEW scenarios.
Until then, it's just more of the same and the brand will die.
HeartBlade
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Agreed. The ST is contentious and Im not a fan but if they want to continue, they need to continue with the ST. Its honestly why I thought Ben/Kylo Ren dying was stupid because he was a popular character that could have had his own series. Rey as a character is pretty boring in the movies but a show centered on her can focus on her inner conflict and build up her character and flaws/lessons learned which will transform her into a new character. I do think post-ST could open up with new stories since the alliance needs to rebuild the government and now that the original 3 are dead and other rebels are shown to be incompetent, its really up to Finn, Poe, and Rey to rebuild.
Instead they are just milking the OT as you mention and are just adding more inconsistencies as a result. Obi Wan as a tv show was just fan fiction and it creates a huge plot hole with Obi Wan. He left Anakin for dead in Episode 3 (dude lost both legs and his other human arm and was on fire from the lava. Ive seen Schwarzenegger be less gratuitous in his killing). Turns out Anakin was alive as Vader and rakes Obi Wan through fire. Obi Wan knows he is getting old, Vader cant be redeemed, and is a huge threat now that he is the second in command of the Empire. He defeats him at the end of Obi Wan but doesnt kill him because??? Instead, he chooses to train Luke to kill his own father??? Kind of a dick move. And now we are getting a season 2?
I also dont think Mandy is something "totally new" since it does rely on connections to the OT. Baby Yoda (hinting at the mystery of what Yoda's species is), Mandalorian armor to tickle that nostalgia, dark saber from cartoons, Luke Skywalker. It is the most original SW content Disney has released though.
I do think the Star Wars brand is already dead. The old fans debate but seem to have moved on and the new fans consuming this stuff dont care about Star Wars. They dont care about the Force, the history of PT characters, canon, etc. If they see flying ships and lightsabers go brrr, they are happy. Disney hasnt announced any new Star Wars movies when Star Wars is a movie franchise, not even the Rian Johnson trilogy currently in development or anything.
ScourgiousJinx
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But the Inquisitor in the trailer has a really cool and slick design sure to appease the most discerning of fans. Did you see that mask? Yes sir can't wait.
Looks like a Darth Revan knockoff to me.
I'm waiting for this supposed story potential to be realized. So many people talk about how vast the GFFA is and I'm not seeing Lucasfilm doing anything to prove that. Fans just buy anything they recognize too so thats all Disney will produce.
I would love to see something like that film noir novel they did become a series. Didn't they do a sort detective in the underbelly of Coruscant solving a murder type story a few years ago? Smaller stories. Smaller stakes. Bigger story potential. Take genre stories and set them in this universe. That would be seriously cool!
I'm waiting for this supposed story potential to be realized. So many people talk about how vast the GFFA is and I'm not seeing Lucasfilm doing anything to prove that. Fans just buy anything they recognize too so thats all Disney will produce.
I would love to see something like that film noir novel they did become a series. Didn't they do a sort detective in the underbelly of Coruscant solving a murder type story a few years ago? Smaller stories. Smaller stakes. Bigger story potential. Take genre stories and set them in this universe. That would be seriously cool!
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