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Joek3rr
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I see that lie is continuing to be perpetuated....
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Joek3rr
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I would have loved to see "Revenge" of the Jedi way more then what we got. Had Abbadon, two Death Stars, the Emperor's subterranean throne room surrounded by lava! That would have been sooooo cool.
ghostryder
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Joek3rr
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I hate to tell you this. But out of all the Disney/Lucasfilm Star Wars content. The Sequel Trilogy is the least nostalgia cash grab out the bunch. That honor lies with The Mandalorian.
I mean look at the controversial choices that were made for the Sequels. Not reuniting the old cast, killing off Han Solo, making the protagonist a "strong" female, having Luke be a self exiled old hermit, bringing back Palpatine, having the main character be Palpatine's granddaughter. Those aren't the choices you make when you're after a cash grab. Those choices alienate fans, and do not make you money. Yet they did them.
I have heard so many fans complain about the Sequels adding another Tatooine like planet. Yet The Mandalorian is over here straight up giving us Tatooine again, and again. And the fans are eating it up, myself included. Heck The Mandalorian was the launch title for Disney+. They knew fans would pay monthly for a bunch of shows that most aren't going to watch, just to get that sweet nostalgia rush that The Mandalorian gives. That, my friend, is a nostalgia cash grab.
ghostryder
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I think Howard Chan's comments from Hot Toys are interesting, re: how a lot of people felt about the ST. Would be curious what other license holders felt.
So the only viable choices fans have are to get content they hate, or content that shamelessly panders? Those sound like terrible choices to me. What about demanding better by voting with your wallet? I know a lot of fans think settling for scraps is better than nothing but I can't. But hey, if you genuinely like the content, more power to you!
From what I've read other license holders lost a ton of money so they stopped producing ST related content because it doesn't sell. At the end of the day it's all about making money and if it doesn't sell then why bother?
Honestly the validity of the ST as a story and the related merchandise and marketing has been debated to death. Are we really covering any new ground in this thread because it's getting old?
From what I've read other license holders lost a ton of money so they stopped producing ST related content because it doesn't sell. At the end of the day it's all about making money and if it doesn't sell then why bother?
Honestly the validity of the ST as a story and the related merchandise and marketing has been debated to death. Are we really covering any new ground in this thread because it's getting old?
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Joek3rr
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It's not surprising. The ST fan base is smaller, by comparison. The OT fan base is still largest. And that makes sense, most Star Wars fans got started because of the OT. And now they are introducing their kids starting with the OT. Sure there's a few that will get started with TCW, Rebels, or the ST. Heck I came across someone who became a Star Wars fan because of Star Wars Resistance.
I mean we see this with LEGO. You can guarantee there will be an OT set(s) every year, maybe a PT set from time to time. But LEGO primarily makes OT sets, and whatever show or movie is out at the time. That's their lineup.
Bigdaddy
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"Controversial" is an interesting way of looking at those choices. I don't believe for a moment Disney was purposely taking chances or trying to be bold, they gambled and lost the bet. Those choices did alienate some fans but it's ridiculous to think that was done intentionally. Of course it was a cash grab, the are a publicly traded company, obligated to be profitable. Disney isn't some high end artsy studio, they exist to maximize profits but as you pointed out, they failed on that aspect of the ST. All of DSW is a nostalgia cash grab, you can rank them however you choose. I've only seen a couple of the films, that was enough to lose my interest in any more. The "feels" wore off pretty quick for me.
ghostryder
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Joek3rr
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That thing looks awesome when open. But the gaps when it's closed....ugh. The limitations of LEGO.
Their latest AT-AT is a sight to behold. The accuracy is almost perfect for the scale and price point. Light blue seats, speeder bike in the back, just like the Incredible Cross Sections book! And they are coming out with UCS version later this year I believe.
Their latest AT-AT is a sight to behold. The accuracy is almost perfect for the scale and price point. Light blue seats, speeder bike in the back, just like the Incredible Cross Sections book! And they are coming out with UCS version later this year I believe.
ghostryder
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HeartBlade
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Yeah they were treatments/script outlines, basically a starting point but not enough to call a full plan.
cool. Lets add Bob Iger and George Lucas to the list of people who dont know what they are talking about when Iger wrote in his memoir that Lucas felt betrayed when Disney scrapped his outlines.
Sure, maybe Kennedy, Abrams, or Johnson dipped into the well of treatments for some ideas like searching the wreckage of the second death star (RoS) and sacred jedi sites (TFA) but the I doubt Ardnt proposed a slow ship moving through space to be a major chunk of the trilogy.
And since you believe Rian so much, in his own words when developing TLJ:
“It's also not like there's a white board with the whole story arc laid out. Much to my surprise, it was, "Here's a script for Episode VII, and you can watch some dailies, because they were shooting Episode VII at the time, and let's talk about where this is going next."
The “story board” as RJ explains is just a group of experts that you can consult and bounce ideas off of and apparently when RJ suggested weird ideas (his own words), they said it was interesting and approved (like light speed ramming I guess). RJhad to write the story and script from scratch, doesnt sound planned out.
meanwhile, across the lot Kevin Fegie thought of the MCU before the first iron man trailer dropped and is planning out movies 5 to 6 years in advance. Nevermind the directors commenting how difficult it is to develop movies since they also need to meet with other directors to keep the characters consistent.
Joek3rr
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Lol. That's called a plan.
George was probably just salty that they didn't use his half naked Twi'lek.
That or they said. 'George we are not recasting or CGI de-aging the Original Trilogy characters.'
Thanks for actually proving my point.
"...Much to my surprise, it was, "Here's a script for Episode VII, and you can watch some dailies, because they were shooting Episode VII at the time, and let's talk about where this is going next."
(One of the Russo brothers described MCU development as working the same way. They don't give the director a script a say. 'Here's the film your making.' They come along and say. 'What is the movie you want to make?')
Rian Johnson was a team player. He willing and went along with what was in the works. The whole process is just one big collaboration. That's how you end up with stuff from 2013 ending up in a 2017 film, and 2019 film.
"So, the late-2012 idea of a Luke Skywalker haunted by the betrayal of one of his students, in self-imposed exile & spiritually in “a dark place”, not only precedes Rian Johnson’s involvement in Star Wars but J.J. Abrams’, as well."
I mean the MCU had been in the works since at least 2003. Avi Arad had hired Zak Penn to write a draft for The Avengers in 2003, which featured Loki. And he was the one to make Marvel Studios sn independent studio.
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