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Two things came to mind the other day regarding the Jedi Order in the films.

They have no core beliefs that are explicitly stated as being central to their faith. Perhaps their weirdly vague idea that emotional attachment is dangerous could be considered one, but that seems too far removed from their role in the Republic, which is also not clearly defined either. They aren't spiritual advisors to anyone but their own so it's not as though they go around spreading the word to the galaxy to not get attached to one another.

They have no ceremonies or rituals. We did see Anakin's knighting ceremony in the Clone Wars micro series, but this is the only instance I can think of in any of the material. Any other action is done by an individual and not as a group in a ritual specific to the Force. Which is perhaps why the Jedi of the Prequels come across as some strange cult who abduct children to train them to levitate objects and fight with lightsabers, despite up until AOTC they aren't soldiers? It doesn't make much sense.

Perhaps the lack of both is why any new addition, whether it's a new ability, or a new idea introduced into the concept of the Force are often considered to be breaking the Canon because fans cling to whatever thin idea we're given as though it were gospel because the Jedi as an Order have no clearly defined role in the galaxy.

You'd think that the original trilogy never had to delve into it mostly because we only ever saw two Jedi and two Sith so the idea of knowing their core tenents wouldn't matter as much in context to the story especially when Luke was the protagonist and outside all of that. But when you go back to the prequels you'd think those two ideas would inform most of the Council's decisions and as such would impact the story in some significant way.

Based on Obi-Wan's declaration that the Jedi were "the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic" in ANH, and how we see them dispatched in the prequels, the Jedi Order was basically an order of monks with both diplomatic and martial training under the command of the Galactic Senate - aka, they were the Republic's psychic wizard police. They were meant to achieve conflict resolution diplomatically and bloodlessly as much as possible, but they had the supernatural and intensely-honed abilities to fight off and quash threats if necessary in place of an actual army, and their powers allowed them to anticipate things ahead of time or sense intent beyond what regular enforcers could. Like, imagine if our US House of Reps and Senate had a quasi-religious group of psychic soldiers to go handle major incidents around the nation, and they could not act on their own terms, but would need governmental permission to go do so.

No, the Jedi don't proselytize their tenets to anyone else because it only concerns their own followers - even though there's aspects about the Jedi "code" that would benefit anybody (aka, keep a calm head about things because you don't accomplish anything good by losing your temper and wits and doing something stupid or harmful), the average galactic citizen doesn't have the power to literally kill others with their mind, so they're the only ones who really need to abide to by their self-appointed guidelines to keep their emotions in check. :p

But yeah, the Jedi Order isn't quite a religion; they certainly don't seem to regard the Force as divine, even though they occasionally refer to it having some sort of will. It's more of a way/path of life established around the uniquely objectively-proven supernatural ability to sense, commune with, and wield an invisible energy field that permeates the galaxy. It seems that at some point in the distant past they and the Republic came to some sort of mutual agreement (one would hope - it's equally possible the Republic was less than altruistic about their desire to have magic space wizard police at their beck and call to secure their power and reach) that the best way for these magic space wizards to be effective "good guys" for the masses was to join themselves to the main galactic government to become more trustworthy and have greater resources at their disposal (because let's be real, if the Jedi are beholden to the Republic Senate, somebody's gotta be funding this Order and the most logical source of money is the Republic itself, since it's obvious from the films they don't go around asking for Jedi Temple donations or selling wares to replenish their Jedi Robe Replacement fund). For better or for worse - in the prequels' case, worse, because the Jedi were losing touch with the Force and themselves and being manipulated by Palpatine's increasing chokehold on the government and background string-pulling of the Clone Wars - the Jedi weren't just lone rangers operating randomly anymore.

On paper, it's not a bad idea for such powerful people to have some sort of check and balance on them - even though they did possess the ability to take over by violence and rule as tyrants themselves if they REALLY wanted to, how are you going to deal with 10,000+ wizards who can choke you and lift you like a ragdoll without even touching you if they put their minds to it...which is precisely what must have led them to have that code they abide by to control themselves. They can channel this mysterious energy that binds the galaxy together, and for the sake of all life they have to do so responsibly. Because that connection also makes them intimately aware of how interconnected and vital life, and the things that make life thrive, is, they'd want to develop a mental framework for upholding that sanctity of life. That's really it - their code/beliefs just boils down to self-discipline for the sake of preventing themselves from becoming walking nuclear bombs. Anything else they do is focused on increasing their perception of the Force and improving their techniques for utilizing it, rather than worshiping it or honoring it in a ritualistic way. Like, no, they have no special days or celebrations or activities or objects they revere just for the sake of revering the Force because, at the end of the day, they're viewing the Force as a tool - granted, a sacred tool, but a tool nonetheless. There really isn't a framework for "sin" in their beliefs either, other than the warning and shunning against using the Dark Side.

I do yearn for the days when the OT kept everything vague enough that it was just a glimpse of space fantasy: a romantic vision of a bunch of noble space knights going around protecting the people of the galaxy before they were cruelly wiped out. However, while the PT left much to be desired on the execution of the concepts it was trying to get across, the kernel idea of "hey, actually, those noble space knights were kind of out-of-touch and stuck-up and tethered to and hampered by a corrupt and dying Republic, and while they didn't deserve genocide, they really did need a wake-up call" was a surprising twist that added depth to what would've otherwise been a more two-dimensional good guys vs. bad guys story. Because that depth now adds an even more profound triumph to Luke's moral victory in ROTJ: he is not the last of the old Jedi, but the first of a new kind. Someone who barely has at most a few weeks or months of training applied to his raw talent and power instead of a lifetime, but none of the baggage; someone who has embraced "attachment" in a healthy way and used it to save his father, and by extension, the entire galaxy. Luke embodies the application of love, of true, selfless compassion and empathy, as the means to forge a new path for the Jedi, finding a third way where his teachers and the Emperor himself both expected black and white outcomes, and that accomplishment is made all the more satisfying knowing that he's coming from a background of magic space knight bathrobe glowstick wizards that had lost their way.

Not sure if this ramble made sense for what was stated up there, but that's where the braincell took me.
 
Totally forgot to add - I bet the Republic found it WAY more cost-effective to have an order of a few tens of thousands of magical space knight bathrobe glowstick wizards who were content to live an ascetic lifestyle eschewing most material things and keeping their weapons to rare crystals they had to personally "mine" and stick in a metal hilt that could technically be made out of common found components (unless they wanted to get artistic), instead of having to fund millions or billions of soldiers who would need more weapons, more food, more uniforms/armor, more ships, more facilities, etc. etc. Sure is handy when one Jedi can do the work of legions.

The Clone Wars had to have been an economic nightmare, even with the Kaminoan cloners already handling the initial growth, training, and housing of the clones.
 
The Jedi always seemed to me to be like a mash-up of the militant orders of the Middle Ages -- Templars and Hospitallers and such -- with the Shinto monks of medieval Japan, the Shao-Lin monks of China, and the itinerant Buddhist monks of much of Eastern Asia. Templars and Shinto, mostly, but not wholly just those two. They definitely had political and economic power, despite possessions being collectively owned, rather than individually. Their relationship with the Republic feels a lot like the post-reconstituting in Portugal. And I have a feeling their rituals weren't large-group ceremonies, but smaller and more intimate -- or solitary -- such as what are found in Shinto and Shao-Lin and Buddhist practices. Meditation and martial arts focusing chief among them.

As for beliefs and tenets...? We saw a lot in the OT, that got muddied in the Prequels. Universal one-ness and cosmic consciousness, a la much of the Eastern stuff. Everything part of the Force, a la Shinto. Defense, rather than attack, a la aikido and similar forms. Zen "no-mind" -- mushin -- to let the Force guide one. A lot of Service to Others and Abnegation of Self. Since a lot of those groups were ascetics, I'm guessing George felt the Jedi should be, too -- at least, by the time he did the Prequels. Which leads to the question of how those various groups inducted new members, since many of them were chaste clergy. Getting people when they were young and raising them in the church was definitely a thing here, too, not just in the GFFA -- and parents didn't just go along with it, but often would apply for the positions, hope for the prestige. There were epic tales of heroes of those religions and orders that were a match for any great kings or battles.

Which leads to a definite unanswered question. Those orders would often -- not the majority, but often -- take in older men (always men) who wanted to join. Sometimes it took, sometimes it didn't. But the Jedi have a definite age preference, due to people getting their own sense of what's real and possible and, as was famously said, having to unlearn a lot of that if they're going to Jedi. What happened if someone wanted to join while the Order was still a thing, but got turned away as too old? There are other avenues to Force-use, and most of those that we've seen tend to not lead to great times. Wouldn't it be irresponsible of the Jedi to not see if they could train any hopefuls? Wouldn't having someone with potential, desire, and resentment out there be a Bad Thing™? I wonder if there was a subsection of the Jedi Temple Guards who "took care of things". People would turn up with unfortunate strokes or cardiac arrest or undiagnosed sleep apnea or like that. Untraceable. "Natural causes". Too bad.
 
Agree that the order was stuck in their ways looking from an ivory tower and do think this is a very reasonable explanation for the Jedi’s downfall. It does also make Luke the “true” hero of the series since he truly found a third option and became a Jedi that has the strengths of the old order (discipline, focus, mastery of the force) but also learning from its mistakes (shunning connection which was Anakin’s downfall)

in regard to recruiting older members, I think the idea is that most people who are force sensitive can “sense” the force but can’t even really use it without training. Despite being the one and thus the most powerful force sensitive in existence, Anakin couldn’t do things like force pull or push before his training. So even if a force sensitive came when he was too old to apply, his use of the force would be too incompetent to be a threat to the Jedi order. You could chalk this up to the order’s arrogance and another potential ticking time bomb that just didn’t go off before the order’s demise.
 
Just popping in to add that I’ve always felt Ben came from a Jedi order that was post Imperial domination. One that was much more marginalized and underground, leading the populace at large to believe they had faded into myth. He lived his life as an adherent to this secret version of the order and at the end of his life saw in Luke the man who would finally bring that order back to light.
 
Totally forgot to add - I bet the Republic found it WAY more cost-effective to have an order of a few tens of thousands of magical space knight bathrobe glowstick wizards who were content to live an ascetic lifestyle eschewing most material things and keeping their weapons to rare crystals they had to personally "mine" and stick in a metal hilt that could technically be made out of common found components (unless they wanted to get artistic), instead of having to fund millions or billions of soldiers who would need more weapons, more food, more uniforms/armor, more ships, more facilities, etc. etc. Sure is handy when one Jedi can do the work of legions.

The Clone Wars had to have been an economic nightmare, even with the Kaminoan cloners already handling the initial growth, training, and housing of the clones.

Well as pointed out in the Republic Commando novels when the Null ARCs hack the banking system, you can shave off as little as one credit from every account every so often and after it hits something like a 1 Trillion accounts, you're rich. The thing we don't know is how much of the GAR was funded by the Republic and how much was Sith money. It might not be canon now, but supposedly starting with Darth Bane, the Sith were setting up all kinds of businesses to use as fronts and to amass a fortune.

As for Jedi beliefs, I think it's just down to there hasn't be enough screen time to really explore it. I would assume that when they aren't deployed they spend their time learning and practicing their Force use. When they are sent out they are diplomats, negotiators, deal makers, and in a last resort warriors. The think they type of mission we see at the beginning of TPM is probably typical of what they normally do. Well normal for that era. They probably switch from being more warriors to peacekeepers, depending on the era. If there's a conflict (hot or cold) and the parties can't come to terms, they send Jedi out to discuss mediate. I would guess that one of the parties deciding to kill the Jedi is probably not the norm in the Prequel era.
 
There's some really thought provoking ideas in there that I hadn't considered before. I appreciate the feedback!

I just heard this again recently and it's still amaZIng!

 
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Agree that the order was stuck in their ways looking from an ivory tower and do think this is a very reasonable explanation for the Jedi’s downfall. It does also make Luke the “true” hero of the series since he truly found a third option and became a Jedi that has the strengths of the old order (discipline, focus, mastery of the force) but also learning from its mistakes (shunning connection which was Anakin’s downfall)
I disagree with the connections thing. It was his fear of loss, not the emotional entanglement.
in regard to recruiting older members, I think the idea is that most people who are force sensitive can “sense” the force but can’t even really use it without training. Despite being the one and thus the most powerful force sensitive in existence, Anakin couldn’t do things like force pull or push before his training. So even if a force sensitive came when he was too old to apply, his use of the force would be too incompetent to be a threat to the Jedi order. You could chalk this up to the order’s arrogance and another potential ticking time bomb that just didn’t go off before the order’s demise.
The things is, though, there are other Force-using groups out there. If the Jedi turn someone away, they will keep looking, and probably eventually find a Sith cult or the Dathomiri Nightsisters or some other agency -- usually Dark-Siders.
Just popping in to add that I’ve always felt Ben came from a Jedi order that was post Imperial domination. One that was much more marginalized and underground, leading the populace at large to believe they had faded into myth. He lived his life as an adherent to this secret version of the order and at the end of his life saw in Luke the man who would finally bring that order back to light.
I sorta felt the same -- again, like the Templars, after they were disbanded. Most of them just scattered and started up again underground, under a new name, or in a kingdom that wasn't beholden to France or the Pope (who France controlled, at that point, hence the excommunication and disbanding to cancel out the King of France's debts to the Templars).
 
Yeah why cant we get classics like Elan Sleazebaggano!

I do agree though, and some of the names are what put me off of Light of the Jedi. Not out of thumbing my nose or anything, I just cant freaking remember who is who.
 
I actually gave no damns about Quinlan Vos, nor understood his popularity. I much preferred the other Kiffar we got a bit later on in the Republic Commando books -- Sintas Vel.
 
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You know for anyone buying into the idiocy of this multimedia campaign I know this Nigerian prince who could really use your help. Is Lucasfilm trying to cash in on the pet rock craze the kids are all about these days, or do they honestly think we're that stupid?
 
You know for anyone buying into the idiocy of this multimedia campaign I know this Nigerian prince who could really use your help. Is Lucasfilm trying to cash in on the pet rock craze the kids are all about these days, or do they honestly think we're that stupid?
my big thing is that I just don't see this campaign. Starting something in books and comics by nature narrows the audience. I understand them trying to put the feelers out and see what people like, but they had 40 years of fiction to mine for the best kernels of story to jump off from. Marvel is across the hall doing loose adaptations of characters that are often times nowhere near household names and they're earning nearly unanimous praise for it. It should have been no different when it came to adapting Kyle Katarn, Corran Horn, or Darth Revan
 
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