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Guilty as charged.
I don't hate it, it's more like a kid who is not doing what they're supposed to be doing. You're disappointed, but you still love it (minus the sequels).
While I found the Simpsons meme funny, there isn't too much truth in it. I love Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and Star Trek. None of those things are at odds with one another and the Trek vs. Wars debate is pretty moot when you consider that you're debating Science Fiction vs. Space Fantasy.
As for hating on Star Wars? Yeah I hate some of it. Though I absolutely love some of it too. Gotta love all those choices at that GFFA buffet!
As for hating on Star Wars? Yeah I hate some of it. Though I absolutely love some of it too. Gotta love all those choices at that GFFA buffet!
harrisonp
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It was discussed earlier that the characters in the new movies always announce their names because audiences now need participation trophies (or something), but I was just thinking about ANH and I think every main character introduces themselves at one point or another, so it’s really not a Sequel Trilogy issue.
The dialogue issues go beyond that tendency though. I really dislike what they did with Rey/Finn talking over each other and with Rey/Han finishing each others sentences in TFA.
The dialogue issues go beyond that tendency though. I really dislike what they did with Rey/Finn talking over each other and with Rey/Han finishing each others sentences in TFA.
Introductions are fine because you need a way to learn everyone's name so that doesn't bother me all that much.
JJ is under the impression that if characters talk over each other (like they did in The Goonies or E.T.) that it implies a believable friendship without having to actually develop them. The only reason the characters talked over one another in those two examples is because they were kids and they have a tendency to do that.
JJ is under the impression that if characters talk over each other (like they did in The Goonies or E.T.) that it implies a believable friendship without having to actually develop them. The only reason the characters talked over one another in those two examples is because they were kids and they have a tendency to do that.
harrisonp
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Yeah his “world building/characterization” really sucks for me, it’s grating. I just hate how all the characters act in TFA. The way Finn yells all the time, how they talk about the myth of Luke and Han, it reinforces my feeling that all of these characters have seen Star Wars.
Oh man I hate that.
The problem with Star Wars is the people who make Star Wars now grew up watching Star Wars. That is to say they approach it trying to mimic what they've seen in the previous movies rather than taking their influences from the same sources that influenced Star Wars: westerns, Kurosawa, King Arthur, the early adventure serials, etc. Mandalorian though gets it right in that regard which no doubt is why it's more popular.
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harrisonp
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I think what makes The Mandalorian so beloved is that Filoni cares for all the lore while Favreau cares for how it made him feel. The two of them together are a strong creative force. The show feels like it believably follows ROTJ, even to the point where I can imagine the Thrawn trilogy playing out alongside it. The ST feels like JJ Trek, which is funny because people said JJ Trek felt like an audition for Star Wars
sztriki
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This. My favourite band is Black Sabbath. They took blues, made it heavier, louder with a mean twist. Then others (including me) started to copy them based on what they heard on Black Sabbath albums and it always always lacked that original spark. At some point even Sabbath seemed to mimic those bands that were actually inspired by them making the pioneers kind of followers of their imitators making this strange cycle.
I think the main appeal of Mandalorian is that it scaled everything back to story and character and it has time to spend on these. Not a monster movie with 200 million dollars budget that MUST outperform everything so it has to amp everything up.I think what makes The Mandalorian so beloved is that Filoni cares for all the lore while Favreau cares for how it made him feel. The two of them together are a strong creative force. The show feels like it believably follows ROTJ, even to the point where I can imagine the Thrawn trilogy playing out alongside it. The ST feels like JJ Trek, which is funny because people said JJ Trek felt like an audition for Star Wars
Joek3rr
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That couldn't be further from the truth though. They are always talking about films, serials, and stories that influenced Star Wars. Rey's journey (before she was called Rey) was mapped out using stills from 'The Hidden Fortress.' Those stills were turned into concept art.
Rian cites King Arthur as inspiration for Luke. TLJ is full of Akira Kurosawa influences, particularly in the cinematography on Ahch-To. The Skywalker lightsaber flying to Rey's hand and not to Kylo, is straight out of Arthur and the sword in the stone. JJ straight up calls TFA a 'fairy tale' complete with a castle and a dark prince. And for better or worse TROS hammers that home by making Rey a princess.
I don't deny those examples you cited but in a way they reinforce my point in that they're still only mimicking Star Wars. Using token imagery and references to those influences is fine (the OT certainly did that which is what they're currently mimicking) but to me that's all they are: token imagery and references. I'm speaking more of taking cues from the structure and overall tone/style of those genres to make your movies, not just simple callbacks to them. It comes off like a shallow attempt to capture the formula of Star Wars without having truly understood why it worked the first time.That couldn't be further from the truth though. They are always talking about films, serials, and stories that influenced Star Wars. Rey's journey (before she was called Rey) was mapped out using stills from 'The Hidden Fortress.' Those stills were turned into concept art.
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Rian cites King Arthur as inspiration for Luke. TLJ is full of Akira Kurosawa influences, particularly in the cinematography on Ahch-To. The Skywalker lightsaber flying to Rey's hand and not to Kylo, is straight out of Arthur and the sword in the stone. JJ straight up calls TFA a 'fairy tale' complete with a castle and a dark prince. And for better or worse TROS hammers that home by making Rey a princess.
Well at least the characters saw SW because I'm not certain some of the bigwigs involved did!
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