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Potroclo
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To be fair, for every Joekeer post trying to convince everybody of how great TLJ is with convoluted and oftentimes far fetched arguments, there's at least a couple posts by any other people making absolutelly clear for the 100th time how much they don't care about the ST or star wars anymore... At least joekeer's posts, however nonsensical they may appear to some (and I'm sorry but oftentimes I have to include myself lol), are entertaining, bring something new to the table and have some work put into it, unlike the stark, boring repetition of your uninterest. Which by the way is contrary to the idea of a forum where everybody can politely discuss his opinions and views on the subject; so yeah, that last accusation of "not getting it" made by joekeer about Luke is out of tone (and anyway any TLJ attack/defense is out of tone, now that we're past that) but on the other side, gosh, if you don't care just don't post, and if you care, post (politelly), but don't just post to say you won't post cause you don't care: does this make any sense or am I just talking stupid because the lack of SW news is making us circle back to the same nonsense and making us posting pizza on a SW thread?
So anyway, back to the topic; pineapple & pizza: hell yeah or big no-no?
So anyway, back to the topic; pineapple & pizza: hell yeah or big no-no?
It's honestly not as bad as it sounds lol
To be fair, for every Joekeer post trying to convince everybody of how great TLJ is with convoluted and oftentimes far fetched arguments, there's at least a couple posts by any other people making absolutelly clear for the 100th time how much they don't care about the ST or star wars anymore... At least joekeer's posts, however nonsensical they may appear to some (and I'm sorry but oftentimes I have to include myself lol), are entertaining, bring something new to the table and have some work put into it, unlike the stark, boring repetition of your uninterest. Which by the way is contrary to the idea of a forum where everybody can politely discuss his opinions and views on the subject; so yeah, that last accusation of "not getting it" made by joekeer about Luke is out of tone (and anyway any TLJ attack/defense is out of tone, now that we're past that) but on the other side, gosh, if you don't care just don't post, and if you care, post (politelly), but don't just post to say you won't post cause you don't care: does this make any sense or am I just talking stupid because the lack of SW news is making us circle back to the same nonsense and making us posting pizza on a SW thread?
So anyway, back to the topic; pineapple & pizza: hell yeah or big no-no?
I'm the first to admit that I have fed into a LOT of the debate and again I acknowledge my temper getting the better of me at times though I try my best to keep my opinions civil and respectful. There have been times I haven't always done that and I've been called out on it and rightly so. I err. I'm human and I try to own my mistakes and apologize if I go too far.
I try to frame my responses in a way that brings thoughtful perspective to the conversation rather than bash someone outright for disagreeing with me and I too attempt to refrain from simple phrases such as "it sucked" because it doesn't contribute much to the conversation other than complaining.
I may not hold interest in the new stories but my passion for the film's and the potential they hold within them is what keeps me responding to threads like this and as much as I may think my fellow fans may be wrong on things, I respect their right to love what they want and their contribution to the topic.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've always admired Joek3rr for his passion and enthusiasm even if I don't agree with his perspective. I should add optimism to that as well. That's a rare quality in the cynical world we live in and one that should be celebrated.
At this juncture I'm happy to move on with the discussion past ep. 8. Which is why I'm keen to not delve into specific examples of my gripes with the film for fear of devolving once again into the same arguments that have taken over far too many threads for the last year and a half. We all know where we stand on the subject. Let's move forward shall we?
I love pizza. I love lightsabers too. : )
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Potroclo
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Then you'll love the lightsaber pizza cutter, complete with sound effects! (It does exist: I'ld include a picture but I don't feel like publicising such abheration any further
)*Actually, all joking and nonsensical rants from my part aside, you and joekeer's back and forths is what most definitely keeps this thread alive and interesting.
Edit: *or the lightsaber pizza!
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Frogfreak
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Haha!
Psab keel said:
They are actually still pretty good. The only problem is where they talk about cloning, obviously since these came out in the mid 90s. In these books they mention of the Clone Wars being wars between various factions of clone masters. Then you have some of the stuff out post AOTC, which I don't know whether it was ever canon or not, that mentioned that there were never any successful attempts to clone a Force user. So I don't know how you would make a clone of Luke and have it be just as powerful as he is. It's not a big deal though.
As for the OT generation vs. everyone else. I'm from the tail end (42) and I do like new material. I liked the Prequels, despite the flaws, but didn't like the Sequels. So I don't think there's any correlation between the OT generation and not accepting anything new. I just don't accept anything new that is bad, like the Sequels!
I remember when the Prequels came out, well probably more so after ROTS came out when people started really complaining about the Prequels, that the same argument was being made in defense of the Prequels.
vader45
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I have to say that I like this post and it seems that you done your research.
As much as we dont agree with TLJ it does flow cohesevly with a begining and an end despite it's go nowhere characters and a few plot holes. And it has that wonderful use of the Heroines Journey as you explained in this post.
This makes me hate TLJ even less. If the Canto Bite scenes get taken out then I would be fine with the film.
vader45
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So I hope I don't open a can of worms.
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If I do....Sorry I guess?
So last night I'm doing my workout and looking for something to watch. I decide to watch a review of TLJ that YouTube has been recommending for months and months and months.....and last night I capitulated and watched it.
During the review, I reminded of something I find rather interesting. Obviously many fans weren't too thrilled about Luke. But I was reminded that being frustrated with Rian or TLJ for this is misplaced. As Rian took the hand he was dealt with and wrote a Luke that could still be the hero. (8:30 is the timestamp for this part if you'd care to watch just that section.) If you don't care to watch it, I'll explain his thoughts.
The main reason Luke is on that island because he believes that he and Jedi are bad for the galaxy. He believes so strongly and he's closed himself off to the Force, and he scuttled his X-wing. If you take issue with this, then what's the alternative? TFA clearly set up that Luke had disappeared, and people were trying to find him. Given this, you have to ask yourself, 'why is Luke here?' He[Stephen] gives a couple of optional reasons.
1) is he hiding?
Obviously no, Luke is not a coward, and that is far more out of character. And what would he be hiding from, the First Order hadn't risen to prominence yet nor are they public yet, so he isn't hiding from them. So that doesn't work
2) is he just sad, bummed out about Kylo? That's part of the reason he's there. But if that were the only reason, having him sulk on that island without trying to do anything to correct it. That doesn't work either.
3) is he being held there against his will? That would make Luke out to be an incredibly weak Jedi. Plus he could have just telepathically asked Leia for help. So that doesn't work either.
So with those 3 things out of the way Luke must:
1)Be closed off from the Force. Or he would come off as seriously callous or cowardly, as he would have sensed the death of Han, and rise of the First Order, the destruction of Hosnian system. And to have Luke sensing those things and still not come and help or at a minimum call out to Leia and ask for a Star Wars Uber.
2) And he needs a really good reason to do that. And the only way that works is if he sees his use of the Force as a negative and his intervention on the behalf of the galaxy, also a negative.
So if you really have a problem with Luke in TLJ, your problem isn't with Rian and TLJ. It's with JJ Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, Michael Arndt, and George Lucas. Your problem is with the decision to have Luke missing, at the beginning of this story. Rian was just given the responsibility of explaining why. Not an easy burden.
Agreed. Rian gave a good explanation in the special features of TLJ
Luke felt the jedi was doing more harm then good. He tried to train a new generation of jedi and failed as Kylo went to the dark side.
To keep the balance in the force there as to be an equal number of Jedi and sith. With the Jedi kicking around there will always be the sith. For everyone doing good there must be some doing bad to equal out or balance the force. So Luke realized this and decided to sacrifice himself for what he felt was needed to help save the Galaxy. That's why he said it was time for the Jedi to end and why he went into exile and closed himself from the force.
It's not the typical Luke from the OT because time passes and everything changes. History repeats itself so something needed to change to rewrite the future.
Get out of here we are done! DONE!!
You know I’ve been training for months.. I can’t remember the last time I had a pizza. I had a whole small to my self tonight as well
Honest to god lol mushroom and olive
vader45
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Mushrooms? How can we even coexist on the same forum?
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