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ghostryder
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Is Disney Bad at Star Wars?
High budgets, scrapped projects, fan backlash. It’s been 12 years since Disney bought 'Star Wars' and its galaxy far, far away arguably has too many broken toys.
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It’s so common now that people don’t talk about it much, but there’s almost a sad ironic beauty to the concept of a website that exists for clicks, selling so much space to ads, that I literally cannot give them a view, even though I want to, because the ads overwhelm my phone.Is Disney Bad at Star Wars?
High budgets, scrapped projects, fan backlash. It’s been 12 years since Disney bought 'Star Wars' and its galaxy far, far away arguably has too many broken toys.
Solo4114
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I maintain that Solo is actually a success of a film hampered by Kathleen Kennedy's failure to ride herd on two directors who couldn't handle the budget, followed by hiring one of the most expensive directors to come and reshoot like 70% of the film. And it still broke even. If it had been half the budget, it would've been a solid success.
I just watched SOLO for the second time a few weeks ago. I still really like it. It's one of two Disney movies that feels like SW from the story to the designs. I also still think that TLJ pissed people off so much they didn't go to the theater for SOLO. I would have loved to have had a couple more movies to explore the Qi'ra character. Another problem was they killed off two of the most interesting characters, Beckett and Dryden Vos. Paul Bettany did such a great job of the criminal leader who has false sympathy for people under him, but will kill in an instant if they screw up.
NEWS FLASH!
I just got the below info. I can't say how I know it, but I can say that I didn't just "fall off the meiloorun cart" and that I believe the below information is true and being planned as part of a "Post Kennedy Era". I also believe that Jon Favreau wants this information leaked, so here we go (with some of my own commentary added)!
Bill
I just got the below info. I can't say how I know it, but I can say that I didn't just "fall off the meiloorun cart" and that I believe the below information is true and being planned as part of a "Post Kennedy Era". I also believe that Jon Favreau wants this information leaked, so here we go (with some of my own commentary added)!
- Jon Favreau has been talking openly around the Lucasfilm office, and Kathleen Kennedy has not been present there for months. He has said everything below for all to hear. He's using the term "Post-Kennedy Era" freely.
- I'm going to optimistically call it the "PKE". If Kennedy does not get a contract renewal this month or next, then we'll know the PKE is a thing!
- Ahsoka Season 2 is happening in mid-late 2026, right after the The Mandalorian and Grogu movie (May 2026).
- Cal Kestis from the two (soon to be three) "Star Wars: Jedi" games will be introduced in the second half of Ahsoka Season 2. His connection to the Nightsisters overlaps with Ahsoka's connection. So yes, we might see Merrin too. This is also timed to coincide with the third "Jedi" game.
- This solidifies those games into more firm canon than where the novels, comics, and games normally hang out.
- Characters from Star Wars: Rebels (Sabine, Ezra, Hera, Chopper), will be scaled back and only appearing in movies after this. Jon has told Dave Filoni it's time to let go of some of the characters from the Kennedy regime (even if personally important to Dave), and to move forward.
- Dave Filoni also needs some seasoning as a live-action storyteller. Ahsoka Season 1 was not awesome except in a few parts.
- After the The Mandalorian and Grogu, there will be a Thrawn film, in which characters from multiple generations will unite "Avengers-style" to kick off a new generation of Star Wars content.
- This leaves open the possibility for Luke, Leia, and Han to show up, and for Heir to the Empire elements to be incorporated.
- So Thrawn is Thanos now, eh? Well, Thanos wasn't scary at the beginning either, so there's still time to fix Thrawn.
- The Rogue Squadron movie is being talked about again, this time with an elder Wedge Antilles passing the torch.
- I really hope someone calls up Patty Jenkins and parks a truckload of money in front of her house!
- Other than Skeleton Crew's debut on December 3, 2024, we're going to have a quiet period for a year and a half.
- Quality over quantity!
Bill
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Did Ned Beatty or this “extremely friendly gentleman” make a cameo??
I could swear I saw them somewhere in that video…
Well….World War II was the first sequel that was bigger than the original.
I’m not sure I would call World War I truly “excellent”, but I haven’t seen the contemporary critic scores on that…from what I understand, the middle was pretty boring and described as a “stalemate” and not much of an audience pleaser. Did they have a “Tomato Meter” back then?
So…there’s that…yeah.
Yep, totally agree. If 'Solo' had been made in the 1970s I think it would be a liked & respected sci-fi classic.
I saw an estimate of 80% for the re-shoots. When you consider all the 2nd-unit stuff in a movie like that (action scenes, VFX, establishing shots, inserts, etc), it probably adds up to the other 20% right there. I bet it was more like a 100% reshoot of the 1st-unit work. They filmed that movie twice to get one usable version.
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CopperRevan
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Thanks for the info but to me, this feels like another " be careful what you wish for" scenario as far as fans clamoring for KK to be gone...I'm not impressed. Maybe if we were told about the PKPFPDE..Post- Kennedy Post-Filoni Post Disney Era, I would be interested in seeing some material...lol
Solo4114
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None of this stuff sounds like a bad thing to me.
I don't tend to take the "Kathleen Kennedy is the worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars" stuff especially seriously. I think she's been an effective shepherd for Lucasfilm, and she's good -- most of the time, Solo notwithstanding -- at making money. She is not a creative, though, and I think she is utterly lacking in creative vision. She knows how to make money, not content.
But the thing is, her approach to making money is no longer enough to sustain the franchise going forward. Yes, she can do individual projects and, 9 times out of 10 (that 1 being a Solo-level ****up, which, again, I rest ENTIRELY on her shoulders), and they will usually make money, but the industry has changed in the last 10-15 years, and the expense of making films that make money just...doesn't work anymore unless you also have a creative vision. Kevin Feige has been successful because, I think, he has largely understood how to have Marvel function with a coherent vision that is both money-making AND provides generally good, coherent content. Certainly the Marvel run leading up to Endgame was that. After that point, I think things got a bit too muddled, and I would expect a bunch of that was driven by the launch of Disney+ with Marvel's TV shows being an anchor for that. Plus, they picked a guy to be the centerpiece of their next "big bad" -- who by the way COULD have been amazing if you know the comics source info -- and it turned out he was...not a good person and toxic to the brand. But I digress.
Anyway, Kennedy isn't a content person. She's a money person. And what she did, which mostly worked, ain't working anymore. For the budgets involved, you can no longer get by on "Yes, the story isn't great, but look at all the money it made!" That is, ultimately, what I refer to as "eating your seed corn." You're basically sacrificing the long-term future of the franchise for short-term profit. What is required is someone with creative vision who can guide Star Wars through a larger overarching story. Filioni and Favreau have been good at this. Kennedy was lousy at this.
Now, to be clear, I think some of Kennedy's impulses were good and smart ones long-term. It makes perfect sense from a business perspective to try to broaden the appeal of Star Wars via representation, and I think it's morally a good thing to do. Rey, for example, could be a really, really interesting character, and they've tapped an immensely talented actor to embody that role. Daisy Ridley's got acting chops. Give her a good script and I have no doubt that she will knock it into the stratosphere.
I think Star Wars also needs to evolve some. There has got to be a move beyond the Imperial era and into something new. You can still tell stories within that era. I think we likely always will. But the timeline's gotta move forward, and the universe itself has to be allowed to change and grow. Otherwise, Star Wars will stagnate and wither. I'm hoping that Favreau and Filioni can do that. I think they've been good stewards thus far, and I have hope that they can be in the future.
NakedMoleRat
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Rogue One,
The Mandalorian season one
Solo A Star Wars Story
Top 3 Disney Star Wars projects.
Flame me all you want, but I stand by this!
The Mandalorian season one
Solo A Star Wars Story
Top 3 Disney Star Wars projects.
Flame me all you want, but I stand by this!
Rogue One,
The Mandalorian season one
Top
There, I fixed that for you.
Now, the promised “flaming” may commence.
CopperRevan
Master Member
I liked Mando season 1. Rogue One bored the death out of me until the Vader scene. ( Not saying it wasn't a decent movie, it just didn't give me a Star Wars vibe until the end.) Like Rogue, Solo was a decent movie, I just wasn't buying Han Solo or Lando and Qira was the more intriguing character and they( directors of ST)blew that opportunity to explain that Rey SHOULD have been the daughter of Qira and not a Skywalker, ( given the fact they made Han into a derelict father and all, not that I agree with that direction at all, but the Qira/Han relationship could have been a doorway into more opportunities and they failed...oh well...lol)
I mean...to make Han a decent guy is just too much to ask for or having him be faithful to Leia is just to hard for some to comprehend...lol
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