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[Psab keel]

The WHAT? Don't leave us hanging!

I didn't realize my post went through lol. I just assumed the logic in the variance of troopers was that they were trained for different climates/ terrains. Not that they couldn't operate within the usual ranks of Stormtroopers that we see on the Death Star, but that troops like the Snowtroopers or Biker Scouts had extra skills that enabled them to fight in specialized climates. Just like we have different military branches that cover Air, Land, and Sea. I never gave it much thought out of that context because it was just a small detail that almost subconsciously registered as a kid. Plus, it didn't detract from the story which wasn't about the troops. It was about Luke and his family/ friends.

 

[HeartBlade]

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I didn't realize my post went through lol. I just assumed the logic in the variance of troopers was that they were trained for different climates/ terrains. Not that they couldn't operate within the usual ranks of Stormtroopers that we see on the Death Star, but that troops like the Snowtroopers or Biker Scouts had extra skills that enabled them to fight in specialized climates. Just like we have different military branches that cover Air, Land, and Sea. I never gave it much thought out of that context because it was just a small detail that almost subconsciously registered as a kid. Plus, it didn't detract from the story which wasn't about the troops. It was about Luke and his family/ friends.

Yeah, its probably regular infantry with additional training and specialized equipment for operating in extreme environments. Given the diversity in the various climates on several planets that would impact warfare (cold and snow in Hoth, constant rain in Kamino, desert wastelands in Tatooine); the are probably just regular stormtroopers with some additional specialized training in a specific kind of environment so they can operate more effectively there.

Might be cool to have a show/mockumentary on the Empire and stormtroopers. No interviews with Vader or Palpatine since they are the top dog and far too busy but "propaganda" encouraging people to join the Galactic Empire and a "look in the life" of a stormtrooper with interviews with various different regiments would be a cool one-off show imo. Although given the fact that the "stormtroopers are incompetent" meme has evolved to become "fact" in the Star Wars-verse this cant really happen and be effective.

 

[Psab keel]

That would be hilarious.

 

[tubachris85x]

Granted, more recently, I've come to feel the Snowtroopers were Infantry, rather than Stormtroopers, but that there were still Stormtroopers on the ground under Veers' command. But I'll get back to that below.

It just makes more sense that they're not, and since they weren't explicitly called such in the film, I feel free to let the visual storytelling do its thing. Also note the Snowtrooper officer Veers informs "all troops will disembark" has the red-over-blue rank insignia on his breastplate. We never see that on any Stormtroopers. Another indicator, to me, that they're Infantry. I'm willing to bet that, if I sat Joe down and persuaded him to care anywhere near as much about this as we do, that he'd see my reasoning as sound.

Snowtroopers were being discussed, so I've decided to come out of my hibernation and become worse.

The reality is that a lot of folks who don't even have a rudimentary understanding of military forces tend to stick with very surface level concepts. It's why when people say "Snowtroopers are just Stormtroopers wearing cold weather gear" (yes people genuinely believe this dog-water), I have nothing more to give to this person's sensibilities than a desire to suplex them into oblivion.

It's like, let's just throw these guys into a generic category of "soldier," while completely ignoring the fact that Snowtroopers are quite literally a specialized force insofar that they are specifically trained for warfare in arctic conditions. Nevermind the fact that these Snowtroopers need to know how to live and survive in such conditions. I suppose we could go down the rabbit hole of realism by comparing what we know about arctic survival in the real worlf VS a fictional one where it's likely they would be deployed in locations that can very much be consider far more hostile.

My point being is that you can't just throw some regular infantry dude in snowtrooper armor and genuinely think the dude is gonna just excel without taking a dirt nap and turning into a frozen popsicle. The only exception to this on Hoth was the fact that Vader had brought his personal 501st members down with him, but frankly that doesn't count for anything IMO. It's like someone saying they're "airborne infantry" cause they went to support an actual airborne unit but never actually doing training or even an actual jump.

As for the call out to the rank being on the chest plate, I don't take rank/insignia seriously in star wars. It's inconsistent, all over the place and when it comes to the cosmetics, you're working with a fictional military. Veer's has his insignia on his armor. I'd agree moreso if they were more akin to real-world military. Even then, as I explained above, that doesn't mean they're infantry. Stormtroopers in of themselves are suppose to a step above standard infantry. The Empire has standard army forces that qualify for that designation, so again, given their extremely specialized training and focus, it's quite inappropriate to classify them as "infantry"

 

[tubachris85x]

I've said it before, but every time I hear Snowtrooper, I can only think of a bunch of them sitting around a Star Destroyer ready room. They hear they're arriving on a cold planet and cheer because they get to do something. I think fans put more emphasis on that and, like everyone said, they are just Stormtroopers with additional training, or they just put on cold weather gear. I think specialized Stormtroopers like Scout Troopers, might only do that though.

This is a bad take.

The only thing specialized about scout troopers is the fact they're given speederbikes with the express purpose of turning off their birthdays themselves.

Go research any actual arctic survival training and combat before making such silly remarks.

 

[ghostryder]

https://imgur.com/a/ikD2G1v

 

[JediMichael]

Thats intresting. Never had heard they even tried anything CGI with any of the ships.
I wonder if there is any actual footage they tried out. Must not have been convincing enough for George.

 

[Joek3rr]

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Snowtroopers were being discussed, so I've decided to come out of my hibernation and become worse.

The reality is that a lot of folks who don't even have a rudimentary understanding of military forces tend to stick with very surface level concepts. It's why when people say "Snowtroopers are just Stormtroopers wearing cold weather gear" (yes people genuinely believe this dog-water), I have nothing more to give to this person's sensibilities than a desire to suplex them into oblivion.

It's like, let's just throw these guys into a generic category of "soldier," while completely ignoring the fact that Snowtroopers are quite literally a specialized force insofar that they are specifically trained for warfare in arctic conditions. Nevermind the fact that these Snowtroopers need to know how to live and survive in such conditions. I suppose we could go down the rabbit hole of realism by comparing what we know about arctic survival in the real worlf VS a fictional one where it's likely they would be deployed in locations that can very much be consider far more hostile.

My point being is that you can't just throw some regular infantry dude in snowtrooper armor and genuinely think the dude is gonna just excel without taking a dirt nap and turning into a frozen popsicle. The only exception to this on Hoth was the fact that Vader had brought his personal 501st members down with him, but frankly that doesn't count for anything IMO. It's like someone saying they're "airborne infantry" cause they went to support an actual airborne unit but never actually doing training or even an actual jump.

As for the call out to the rank being on the chest plate, I don't take rank/insignia seriously in star wars. It's inconsistent, all over the place and when it comes to the cosmetics, you're working with a fictional military. Veer's has his insignia on his armor. I'd agree moreso if they were more akin to real-world military. Even then, as I explained above, that doesn't mean they're infantry. Stormtroopers in of themselves are suppose to a step above standard infantry. The Empire has standard army forces that qualify for that designation, so again, given their extremely specialized training and focus, it's quite inappropriate to classify them as "infantry"

Oddly enough the Special Editions support this idea. As on Tatooine we Stormtroopers operating alongside Sandtroopers. So Sandtroopers probably aren't just Stormtroopers with some backpacks and pauldrons. But actually a specific unit trained to fight, survive, and live in those conditions.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

This is a bad take.

The only thing specialized about scout troopers is the fact they're given speederbikes with the express purpose of turning off their birthdays themselves.

Go research any actual arctic survival training and combat before making such silly remarks.

Maybe you should read someone's full comment before insulting them. I said Snowtroopers are "Stormtroopers with ADDITIONAL TRAINING". ADDITIONAL TRAINING would include dedicated cold weather training... Scout troopers also would have specialized training in speederbikes and recon.

 

[blewis17]

https://imgur.com/a/ikD2G1v

I believe this X-wing CG animation demo loop was shown to Lucasfilm / included as a special feature on the Behind the Scenes DVD for "The Last Starfighter"

...OK, so here's the 1979 X-Wing CG test footage queued up, but it's really worth watching the whole 3 minute video for the story behind it:

 

[Joek3rr]

On of things I was thinking about o the topic of Snowtroopers. There isn't clear line in the equipment being worn. AT-AT pilots, look like they are in that Stormtrooper/TIE pilot group. Yet they wear the same shoulder bells as Snowtroopers. Similarly Veers and Snowtrooper commander wear similar backplates as the TIE pilots and AT-AT pilots. And confuse things even further, the Snowtrooper commander straight up wears standard Stormtrooper forearms.

 

[HeartBlade]

That would be hilarious.

Honestly I think it might be good.

Play super serious like a legit WW2-esque documentary with “renactment” battles of stormtrooper successfully quelling rebellions and becoming victorious in the various battles and wars the Empire fought in pre-ANH. You can probably make it for cheap (use battlefront to “map” out the battles and troop positions) and have some “historians” talk about how the speeder bikes or AT-ATs were essential to the Empire’s victory in such and such battle. Maybe even have someone talk about the politics within the Empire like how historians talk about the alliance between Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin.

You can lore-dump basically non-essential lore that helps the audience better understand the Empire which is also some easy and cheap content during the strike. If one of the battles gets really popular for some reason, include it in Andor but give the “real” story (maybe the Empire used illegal weapons or something to win or they didnt actually win/didnt achieve their objective but spun it to say they won (cause its “Imperial propaganda”).

Amazon basically does it with the Boys, having clips on youtube from “Vought+” with the full commercials and music videos of “content” produced by Vought. The stuff sucks but its hilarious because you know they are poking fun at Disney and also adds to the in-universe lore (the youtube comments are also playing into it too). Just a win-win if done decently well.

 

[tubachris85x]

Maybe you should read someone's full comment before insulting them. I said Snowtroopers are "Stormtroopers with ADDITIONAL TRAINING". ADDITIONAL TRAINING would include dedicated cold weather training... Scout troopers also would have specialized training in speederbikes and recon.

If you think that was an insult, I'm afraid you're comprehension skills are lacking, but ok.

As per my last post, Scouts are only good for dying to care bears and inanimate objects, specifically, trees.

Snowtroopers are actually designed for their environment (on top of the whole being combat effective), they even have armor that matches. Scouts? Nope. They're quite clearly designed to be seen from a mile away in a dense forest. The fact that they were given speeder bikes at least painted in a dark brown/black color comes off as if the Empire was mocking the fact that Scouts lack any sort of camo.

I think the scout fans are unironically depressed and see this fatal flaw in their existence as a self-identifying attribute which is kind of sad.

 

[tubachris85x]

On of things I was thinking about o the topic of Snowtroopers. There isn't clear line in the equipment being worn. AT-AT pilots, look like they are in that Stormtrooper/TIE pilot group. Yet they wear the same shoulder bells as Snowtroopers. Similarly Veers and Snowtrooper commander wear similar backplates as the TIE pilots and AT-AT pilots. And confuse things even further, the Snowtrooper commander straight up wears standard Stormtrooper forearms.

To be fair I think you're reading too much into something that was likely done as a cost saving measure to re-use existing parts to make something different, even if ever so slightly, for filming

 

[Treadwell]

If you think that was an insult, I'm afraid you're comprehension skills are lacking, but ok.

Your post WAS insulting and so is this one.

 

[tubachris85x]

Your post WAS insulting and so is this one.

#triggerMetimbers

 

[Psab keel]

Your post WAS insulting and so is this one.

I agree, but just look at his signature.... Certainly accurate if anything else.

 

[tubachris85x]

I agree, but just look at his signature.... Certainly accurate if anything else.

Got 'em

 

[Psab keel]

Got 'em

#moreliketrollingmembers

 

[tubachris85x]

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