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Oh yeah it does. My head canon just thinks it makes more sense that they aren't, given the style of armor, etc. Lol!

As for the environ-specific stormtroopers, I obviously think they are all stormtroopers. I just always thought it made more sense that the stormtrooper armor as introduced in ANH was meant to be a jack of all trades without the need for specialized variants. That armor was for all environments. The ANH sandtrooper and spacetrooper armor were all mostly the same, with mainly some variation in equipment. Of course, as the years have gone along we've gotten endless very specific variants (perhaps to sell toys) and, especially under Disney, stormtrooper armor seems to serve no practical function. They are a far cry from what I thought a stormtrooper was originally meant to be.
 
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I had a thought the other night. And I may have come up with a reason for why there would be Imperial Navy Commandos. There seems to be that there is some friction between some of the branches of the military. And it's very likely that the Navy is a bit salty on having to rely on the Stormtrooper Corp, for their fighting force. So they want their troops that they can use is military operations or in boarding operations.
I can sort of get behind that... Sort of. The thing is -- Stormtroopers are the Navy's embarked fighting force. There are likely instances when there are embarked Starfleet infantry troops, but also good chances of times there aren't (left behind to maintain a military presence, etc.). The rivalry in ANH was between General Motti, who seemed to be very infantry/installation/fortification in his training and/or thinking... and General Tagge, who probably had just arrived with Vader on the Devastator. He was sitting next to Bast, who reported directly to Tarkin. We know Bast oversaw the gunnery crews and those guys are Stormtroopers. The later Prequels showed us Clone Troopers could attain the broad rank of Commander, but they were still subordinate to non-Clone Generals. Veers in ESB follows that same pattern. So it retroactively makes sense to me that Tagge and Bast are Stormtrooper Generals like Veers was, and that, Stormtroopers being more naval in feel, being Marine analogues, that fits Motti sneering at "Tagge's" Starfleet.

Granted, more recently, I've come to feel the Snowtroopers were Infantry, rather than Stormtroopers, but that there were still Stormtroopers on the ground under Veers' command. But I'll get back to that below.

There just seems like a lot of overlap. There is a bunch of special elite Stormtrooper units that kinda do the same thing. I mean there's two kinds of Shadow Stormtroopers. The ones in TFU with gray armor. Then your "classic" black armored guys. Who are under the command of Agent Blackhole, who also commandos Nova Stormtroopers. Another black armored unit, but with gold markings.
The first Shadow Stormtroopers showed up in the Archie Goodwin newspaper comics and were, yes, under the command of the Imperial agent codenamed "Blackhole". They were also called Blackhole Troopers, because of that. The concept later expanded to be that Shadow Stormtroopers existed elsewhere, too, and not just under his command. The Nova Troopers are another level higher even than Shadow. They were introduced in Galaxies as VIP bodyguards. Basically, if Stormtroopers are Marines, Shadow Troopers are Marine Raiders, and Nova Troopers are the President's Own.

Thanks to Shadow Scouts and Shadow Guards, it makes sense to me to have that appellation refer to those who have survived at the basic level long enough and/or received advanced training to transition from white to black. The Royal/Shadow Guard distinction is a different one, and the higher position above them both fuses both colors into a red and black uniform.

I can't explain the gray TFU Shadow Trooper, beyond that it always looked like they lightened them so they wouldn't be invisible in those dim environments. *shrug* The official merch has them in black armor (with random blue trim).

While the movie doesn't clarify who they are. The Art of The Empire Strikes Back, and the comic adaptation both call them Stormtroopers.
Yep. Kenner also got their info direct from Lucasfilm. We have all the Lucasfilm nicknames for ships and aliens permanently memorialized as their toy releases. The "X ship" and the "Y ship", the "tie ship"... Later for ROTJ, the two new Rebel fighters, the "A ship" and the "B ship"... "Hammerhead", "Snaggletooth", "Walrus Man", "Three-Eyed Yak-Face", and so on. So them calling that action figure "Stormtrooper (Hoth Battle Gear)" would have been what they were told it was by someone working there. Between that and Joe Johnston's sketchbook commentary, I know they settled on them being Stormtroopers.

It just makes more sense that they're not, and since they weren't explicitly called such in the film, I feel free to let the visual storytelling do its thing. Also note the Snowtrooper officer Veers informs "all troops will disembark" has the red-over-blue rank insignia on his breastplate. We never see that on any Stormtroopers. Another indicator, to me, that they're Infantry. I'm willing to bet that, if I sat Joe down and persuaded him to care anywhere near as much about this as we do, that he'd see my reasoning as sound. ;)

Of course, as the years have gone along we've gotten endless very specific variants (perhaps to sell toys)
DUH. Star Wars. Twelve action figures in the first wave. Eight more in the second. Total of twenty for that film. All re-released for the second film, along with a total of thirty new ones. Then Jedi gave us figures for all of the aliens in Jabba's palace, even if they were on screen for half a second in the background. And all the Ewoks. And the Emperor's advisors. There weren't really tie-in toys like that prior to Star Wars. There's a reason Geoge was -- perhaps enviously -- referred to as "Toy-Boy". There's a reason Mel Brooks riffed on it in Spaceballs ("MERCHANDIZING! Where the real money from the movie is made!").

So of course by the time we got to the Clone Wars, we were going to have eighteen thousand variants to have to buy.

and, especially under Disney, stormtrooper armor seems to serve no practical function. They are a far cry from what I thought a stormtrooper was originally meant to be.
I noticed that in TFA, where Finn said the helmets filter out smoke, but not toxins. And I flashed back to the two Stormtroopers standing guard outside on the Death Star in hard vacuum and kinda went, "Ummmmmm... No?" I guess the First Order got some really cut-rate gear. At least they were effective in subduing that village? I was a little afraid they'd buy into the whole "can't hit the broad side of a barn" BS about Stormtrooper marksmanship. They've been dragged enough over the years. I want to see them be as imposing and scary as they were in the first couple minutes of Star Wars.
 
I can sort of get behind that... Sort of. The thing is -- Stormtroopers are the Navy's embarked fighting force. There are likely instances when there are embarked Starfleet infantry troops, but also good chances of times there aren't (left behind to maintain a military presence, etc.). The rivalry in ANH was between General Motti, who seemed to be very infantry/installation/fortification in his training and/or thinking... and General Tagge, who probably had just arrived with Vader on the Devastator. He was sitting next to Bast, who reported directly to Tarkin. We know Bast oversaw the gunnery crews and those guys are Stormtroopers. The later Prequels showed us Clone Troopers could attain the broad rank of Commander, but they were still subordinate to non-Clone Generals. Veers in ESB follows that same pattern. So it retroactively makes sense to me that Tagge and Bast are Stormtrooper Generals like Veers was, and that, Stormtroopers being more naval in feel, being Marine analogues, that fits Motti sneering at "Tagge's" Starfleet.

Granted, more recently, I've come to feel the Snowtroopers were Infantry, rather than Stormtroopers, but that there were still Stormtroopers on the ground under Veers' command. But I'll get back to that below.
I was thinking of this line from The Essential Guide to Warfare, when I came up with my idea.
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The first Shadow Stormtroopers showed up in the Archie Goodwin newspaper comics and were, yes, under the command of the Imperial agent codenamed "Blackhole". They were also called Blackhole Troopers, because of that. The concept later expanded to be that Shadow Stormtroopers existed elsewhere, too, and not just under his command. The Nova Troopers are another level higher even than Shadow. They were introduced in Galaxies as VIP bodyguards. Basically, if Stormtroopers are Marines, Shadow Troopers are Marine Raiders, and Nova Troopers are the President's Own.

Thanks to Shadow Scouts and Shadow Guards, it makes sense to me to have that appellation refer to those who have survived at the basic level long enough and/or received advanced training to transition from white to black. The Royal/Shadow Guard distinction is a different one, and the higher position above them both fuses both colors into a red and black uniform.

I can't explain the gray TFU Shadow Trooper, beyond that it always looked like they lightened them so they wouldn't be invisible in those dim environments. *shrug* The official merch has them in black armor (with random blue trim).

And to be fair, I guess they're just called Shadow Troopers in the game....
 
thats why the Red shirt dudes get killed in Trek! Its because they are not specialized in anything and they are forced to go everywhere they have not been trained... they stand around in the exact wrong spot and.. BOOM. gone.
My other theory is that they are super highly trained androids that know exactly where to go to manipulate the enemy into revealing their traps and plans. The crews are trained to allow the red shirts to do what they need to do, and to make it seem to the enemy like they are unaware of the danger they are in, until the enemy reveals itself by killing the red shirt and triggering the planned response.
Sorry thats not Star Wars. Perhaps that is what the Rebel blue shirts are. There.
 
I've said it before, but every time I hear Snowtrooper, I can only think of a bunch of them sitting around a Star Destroyer ready room. They hear they're arriving on a cold planet and cheer because they get to do something. I think fans put more emphasis on that and, like everyone said, they are just Stormtroopers with additional training, or they just put on cold weather gear. I think specialized Stormtroopers like Scout Troopers, might only do that though.
 
I mean... More recently revised, IMO, to Imperial Infantry in "Hostile Environment, Extreme Cold" gear versus their standard kit, but yeah. Jodo, your humorous quip reminded me I also reject "Shore Troopers". That's just stupid. They're the ISB's light infantry. Simple as that.

It would be fun to speculate on just how broad-ranging Stormtrooper training is. Standard terrain-specific hostile environments? Sure -- that's just alternate battle gear to allow them to operate as standard. Is beast handling standard? How often to they operate on non-tech worlds and need to rely on things other than speeders to get around? I would imagine EVO/Magma Troopers, Sea Troopers, and Scout Troopers involve more advanced training. Corporal/Specialist versus PFC or whatever. Pilots, Drivers, and Combat Engineers, too. Non-standard weaponry?

I personally have a pretty narrow throughline that I need to create a proper infographic of... Stormtrooper armor is standard, which can handle both high and low temperatures, up to and including extended operations in hard vacuum with extended air supply. Peripheral to that are the "Sandtrooper" armor with augmented cooling gear, supplies, and equipment for extended operations in hot deserts, and the proper Spacetrooper armor (from West End Games), which is pretty much an expanded version of our MMU, with armor and weapons. The Stormtrooper gets into it in their regular battle armor, the exosuit giving them better maneuverability and protection in space than carried gear would.

Some things like the enhanced targeting sensors we saw on the Stormtroopers on Mimban are, again, situation-specific gear all 'troopers have access to.

Specialists range from standard armor with markings to denote focused training in things like flame weapons and explosives to focus-specific armor. Some is nearer standard gear (pilots, drivers), some is further (EVO Troopers), some is much further (Scout Troopers, Seatroopers, Storm Commandos, etc.). To my thinking, the more the armor deviates, the more substantial the additional training.

It really ultimately isn't very many variants. Some in the ancillary material are just too ridiculous to realistically entertain. Some are just Stormtroopers with one or two additional pieces of gear that I feel would be available to all, and their inclusion is about as meaningless a variation as "Sandtrooper". In the end, I pretty much only see something like nine proper distinct "grades", in a rough diamond formation. Standard troopers with all of their alternate kit are at the bottom point. Specialists in standard armor are above them (Incinerator, Combat Engineer). Troopers with more specialized training and gear are above those (Drivers, Seatroopers, Scout Troopers, Pilots, Hazardous Environments). Shadow Troopers and Shadow Scouts are above that. And then Nova Troopers are at the upper point. Royal Guards and Storm Commandos are at that same level, but the result of different throughlines, there being some overlap (some, not all, Royal Guards were recruited from the Stormtrooper Corps; Storm Commandos have a very different operational practice than standard trooper progression, and they can come from any level or specialization).
 
Is there any info on why the Shore trooper got an entirely new name (besides selling toys)? I can't see any in universe reason that they would need any different equipment than a regular Stormtrooper just because they are near the beach. If regular Stormtrooper armor seals against vacuum, I'm sure it would keep out saltwater and have reasonable AC. They do look cool though and look like SW unlike a lot of the Sequel stuff.
 
Especially because we saw regular Stormtroopers slogging through the shallows right alongside them. All of the stuff with the same design cues I tend to lump together. That's an ISB facility, Krennic is a high-up in the ISB, those Death Troopers, the Shore Troopers, the Tank Drivers and AT-ACT drivers, the Range Troopers and Patrol Trooper in Solo, the flight helmet Han was wearing in the deleted scene from Solo -- all have the same styling elements, and so all are ISB forces, to me. The Conveyex was headed to an ISB facililty. Han was testing the TIE Brute for the ISB. The Patrol Trooper was part of the security police patrols on the shipbuilding world of Corellia. Et cetera, et cetera.

Why the Shore Troopers got the name they got, though, I attribute to laziness.
 
Especially because we saw regular Stormtroopers slogging through the shallows right alongside them. All of the stuff with the same design cues I tend to lump together. That's an ISB facility, Krennic is a high-up in the ISB, those Death Troopers, the Shore Troopers, the Tank Drivers and AT-ACT drivers, the Range Troopers and Patrol Trooper in Solo, the flight helmet Han was wearing in the deleted scene from Solo -- all have the same styling elements, and so all are ISB forces, to me. The Conveyex was headed to an ISB facililty. Han was testing the TIE Brute for the ISB. The Patrol Trooper was part of the security police patrols on the shipbuilding world of Corellia. Et cetera, et cetera.

Why the Shore Troopers got the name they got, though, I attribute to laziness.
I tend to agree with that! The Shoretroopers by design are fantastic; however, redundant when compared to regular Stormtroopers. An easy explanation of difference would that they are from a different branch, and serve as their basic infantry.

If Death Troopers are top notch ISB, I’m totally willing to accept Shoretroopers as the backbone of the organization.

Or maybe they’re the armed IRS of the Star Wars universe…
 
Especially because we saw regular Stormtroopers slogging through the shallows right alongside them. All of the stuff with the same design cues I tend to lump together. That's an ISB facility, Krennic is a high-up in the ISB, those Death Troopers, the Shore Troopers, the Tank Drivers and AT-ACT drivers, the Range Troopers and Patrol Trooper in Solo, the flight helmet Han was wearing in the deleted scene from Solo -- all have the same styling elements, and so all are ISB forces, to me. The Conveyex was headed to an ISB facililty. Han was testing the TIE Brute for the ISB. The Patrol Trooper was part of the security police patrols on the shipbuilding world of Corellia. Et cetera, et cetera.

Why the Shore Troopers got the name they got, though, I attribute to laziness.
When I first saw Rogue One, I assumed that Shore Troopers were akin to Scouts. The lack of leg and groin armor, suggested to be they were equipped for riding bikes, if needs be. But that never materialized.
 
You know that walk you have to do when you're walking in thigh high water? Maybe that's why the Shore Troopers have no leg armor? :lol:
Shore Trooper is transferred to one of the other specialities, and he is hazed, because the Empire is evil.
Other trooper next to him in the barracks puts on all his armor but the thigh pieces: "Look guys, I'm ready for the Shore Trooper detachment!"
Everyone laughs but the new transfer. Inside his helmet, a tear falls. Later, in battle, he deliberately gets that guy killed.

TROOPER TALES, coming next fall on D+
 
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