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Fathers day haul from the kiddos. Happy Fathers Day out there to all the fathers, or those who are male role models!
 
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Fathers day haul from the kiddos. Happy Fathers Day out there to all the fathers, or those who are male role models!

I've been holding off on rereading the RC novels for about the 20th time. They are up in my top five sets of SW stories. If they had any brains on The Mandalorian they would have adopted a little more of the Mando stuff from those books. If I had my way there would at least be a throwaway line about some character hearing a rumor about a secluded enclave of former Clonetroopers.
 
I've been holding off on rereading the RC novels for about the 20th time. They are up in my top five sets of SW stories. If they had any brains on The Mandalorian they would have adopted a little more of the Mando stuff from those books. If I had my way there would at least be a throwaway line about some character hearing a rumor about a secluded enclave of former Clonetroopers.
I'm about ready to start my re-read. Right after I finish The Last Command. I'm wanting to read a bunch of the old Clone Wars stories since this year is the 20th anniversary. I just finished the 3 Clone Wars omnibuses from Dark Horse. Those were soooo good.

TCW kinda killed Traviss's Mandalorians. And I don't think Dave cares to adapt her version. He's kinda committed to his vision of the Mandalorians now.
 
It's Heisenbergian, to me. George had a wildly differing vision of the Mandaloians. And, frankly, I'm curious when it how it developed, 'cause it wasn't always that way. I know Dave didn't like what was done to them. He's been a fan of the Mandos since way back. He pushed back as carefully and subtly as he could. I don't know how much of "The Mandalore Plot" was George and how much was Dave. Vizsla and Death Watch from from the EU. The Protectors come from the EU. "Concordia" sure looks and sounds a lot like the EU version of Mandalore, complete with beskar mines. There's enough there for me to "certain point of view" it.

And remember, Kal and his boys weren't exactly mainstream themselves. Kyrimorut was a small settlement, and the Skirata compound was some distance from that. The reaction when a couple of them came down to hear what Boba had to say in Legacy of the Force was akin to how people would react if some weird survivalists who hole away up in the hills decided to roll into town. "There's something... off... about them". Even by Mando standards, they're extreme. It all still works, IMO, with a bit of context.
 
He had one? At all? I thought it was all EU material by others since day one.
As I recall they were Imperial Super Commandos. Or at least Boba's armor was. Though I don't know if he called them Mandalorians. That name first popped up in the original Marvel Star Wars.
 
As I recall they were Imperial Super Commandos. Or at least Boba's armor was. Though I don't know if he called them Mandalorians. That name first popped up in the original Marvel Star Wars.
The first appearance of the word "Mandalore" that I've found so far is the ESB Sketchbook, publishing date June 1980. Couple years before the Marvel story arc. Joe Johnston wrote the words, and most of the art therein is from him and Nilo Rodis.

The only things I've found that pre-date that don't use the word. The gestalt I accumulated from the novelization, comic adaptation, storybook, and elsewhere peripheral to the film's release was that Boba Fett was the most feared/notorious bounty hunter in the galaxy, and he wore a battered, armored, weapon-covered spacesuit of a type worn by a race of evil warriors defeated by the Jedi Knights during the Clone Wars.

I'm pretty sure "Mandalore/Mandalorian" comes from George's notes somewhere and that's where Joe got it, as the "elite Imperial troops tracking Our Heroes" evolved in two directions -- into the Snow Troopers one way, and Boba the other. David Michelini, who wrote the two-issue arc on Mandalore for Marvel, also got the general "Boba's homeworld has been occupied by the Empire since their defeat" from Lucasfilm contacts. But there's a lot also that we frustratingly can't know, due to George's demonstratively poor communication skills:

• Boba is never explicitly stated in materials peripheral to ESB to be Mandalorian, just that he wears their armor, and thus ancillary speculation covered all the bases between "he is" and "he isn't".

• When were the Clone Wars? How long did they last? Who was fighting them? George way over-streamlined when he decided in late '77 that there was only enough Obi-Wan material for three films, but, by the time he got to the Prequels, he'd painted himself into a corner with the episode numbers he'd hung on the OT. Near as I've been able to reconstruct, the Clone Wars were like the Punic Wars in that they were a series of related conflicts that spanned several decades, that the Empire was a recent thing as of the writing of Star Wars, and that Mandalore was conquered and occupied around the time Republic transitioned to Empire. Some of this still comes through.

• George seems to have had notions of the "New Mandalorians" adopting pacifist ways, and the traditionalists objecting, all through, but there are holes in what he said when asked about it, apparently. People further out had an easier time holding to the old ways than on Mandalore itself. Filoni brought some of that in in Clone Wars and Rebels, some of that showed up in the new Marvel comics. And that's tacit in Open Season. Jaster operated out of Concord Dawn, not on or near Mandalore.

• On the back of one of the Jango Fett action figures released at Toys 'B' We's Midnight Madness right before AOTC opened, I read that this guy was "the last Mandalorian". Which quashed our hopes for a full-on, slam-bang Mando vs. Jedi battle. There were whispers, I don't know how reliable, that George was grumpy about how popular Boba had become and that's why he killed him off in ROTJ, but when his popularity persisted, he minimized his people in the PT as much as possible and still include their contribution to the (now singular) war.

So, from years of learning how to interpret what George says from what was actually going on leading up to what he said... My sense is that in his mind and notes, the Mandalorians had been warlike, but recently-ish disarmed so they could participate in galactic politics. Traditionalists objected, with some seeking honor and some seeking conquest. The pacifists and honor-seekers were defeated, and the conquerors took power. The Republic retaliated and the conquerors were defeated, with the help of the Jedi, and the planet occupied. As Republic transitioned to Empire, the latter sought to harness the heritage of the Mandalorian people and created a cadre of supercommandos to fight for the Empire.

I still view Prime Minister Olmec's line about Jango as being political disavowal, rather than objective evidence to the Fetts' ancestry. After centuries, the people on Concord Dawn are Mandalorian. I have problems with ROTJ Boba being the actual Boba, and I have problems with Tem being Boba in current material because of age, and I have problems with Boba's armor being Jango's armor because it isn't and can't be, but that's the current official line. And the provenance he showed Din supports Open Season. After Death Watch killed his parents, Jango was taken in by the leader of the "True Mandalorians" and given armor. He was a Foundling. A lot of Clone Wars and Rebels and The Mandalorian seem to be Filoni trying to work around George's annoyance-based attempts to minimize the Mandalorians and get them back to George's first take.
 
I'm about ready to start my re-read. Right after I finish The Last Command. I'm wanting to read a bunch of the old Clone Wars stories since this year is the 20th anniversary. I just finished the 3 Clone Wars omnibuses from Dark Horse. Those were soooo good.

TCW kinda killed Traviss's Mandalorians. And I don't think Dave cares to adapt her version. He's kinda committed to his vision of the Mandalorians now.

I think she could have still worked around that by saying that the True Mandalorians found another planet in the systems Mandalore controls and renamed it Mandalore, not recognizing the pacifists.

My main problem with current Mandos is that Lucasfilm has made Death Watch the good guys. The Death Watch were extremists who wanted to bring back the old conquering armies that the Mandalorians used to have. The True Mandalorians wanted Mandalore to thrive and to preserve their way of life and culture.
 
I think she could have still worked around that by saying that the True Mandalorians found another planet in the systems Mandalore controls and renamed it Mandalore, not recognizing the pacifists.

My main problem with current Mandos is that Lucasfilm has made Death Watch the good guys. The Death Watch were extremists who wanted to bring back the old conquering armies that the Mandalorians used to have. The True Mandalorians wanted Mandalore to thrive and to preserve their way of life and culture.
You know I hadn't realized that until now. Pretty much all the Mandalorians we see know, are or were connected to Death Watch. Yet they seem to function more like Mereel's honor based factions. Rather then the blood thirsty fanatics, that Death Watch was.
 
I like to think Bo and her Nite Owls threw in with Vizsla's Death Watch both out of necessity and her beef with her sister. Old EU stuff is still tacitly in until it's not. All of Open Season has yet to be overwritten. If Jango was the last of the True Mandalorians as of 35BBY, and had gone off on his own, Bo's opposition to her sister's embracing of the New Mandalorain pacifism had limited support.

That said, her earlier depictions were as a violent terrorist, just as Death Watch was. Dunno how much of that is dumbed-down narrative and nuance-free archetype hammering. The early seasons of Clone Wars were pretty heavy-handed. Even by the "final episodes" completed later, she's still short-tempered and ready to throw down. But that might just be a racial failing. ;)
 
On today I learned....

The Lasat species from Star Wars Rebels (Zeb) isn't actually from Rebels. In fact they were made for West End Game's "Tatooine Manhunt." Yet another thing that's actually not new with the "new" continuity.
 
I actually wish they had used more of Doug Chiang's concept ships in the Clone Wars series (or even a future series). He did a pretty cool droid gunship that deployed destroyer droids that I thought was a really cool idea.
 
The article doesn’t explicitly state he is stepping down but he basically is. He is “supportive” because he is a “fan” of the character and Filoni (which honestly sounds like office politics to kiss the ring and show loyalty to Filoni) but from a story perspective, this is stupid.

Yes, Bo and others are Mandaloreans but Din is THE mandalorean and the one we are supposed to be focused on. Wasn’t the show supposed to follow his story as a bounty hunter? Honestly they lost the plot already and I really don’t have faith in their other shows. Even if Andor is currently “good,” they can easily change the plot and ending and tank the show (see Game of Thrones). It’s honestly quite impressive how Lucasfilm can turn a winning hand into a losing one.
 
I don't have much of a problem with that because Katee Sackhoff is great and her character has a good back story for why she is a bad*ss unlike some SW characters *cough*Rey*cough*. It is a huge bait and switch if that's how they are going to get Pedro off the show though. I'm more concerned with them having some good stories going forward. Otherwise this show is done.
 
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