Good point. I need to go back and re-watch again and pay attention to the wording. Did Luke actually say Ben's dreams woke him up? Or just drew him to Ben's room? Because he was fully dressed. If I felt dreams of death and destruction jolt me out of sleep, I don't think I'd bother getting out of my jammies.
Also, pay attention to Luke's eyes in that clip. They are fixed on Ben as he unhooks and ignites his saber. Then he comes back to himself and looks over at the saber, realizing where his impulses were pulling him, and not giving in. As opposed to the first minute of this:
For those saying that moment of feeling pulled to kill Ben before he could do all that stuff in his dreams negated his growth in the OT, I say the very fact that he
didn't do the same thing as in that clip above is evidence that he
has grown. But he's still a Skywalker and still has rash impulses, and even though he checked himself, it wasn't in time to prevent consequences for a momentary lapse.
And
Psab keel, I so utterly agree. I hate the use of flashbacks or visions -- visible to the audience, anyway -- in Star Wars. They weren't used in the OT. We saw people remembering, but not
what they were remembering. We saw Luke having visions of "a city in the clouds", but we didn't
see his vision. The closest we got was the Force nexus of the cave on Dagobah, where we saw the hints of Cloud City architecture and the Vader-image he fought. And that made it all the more obvious that was a weird special place where the normal rules don't apply. I'm still unclear on the Force ghosts at the end of ROTJ, and that I lay on Lucas. If they're visible to the naked eye, Leia should've seen them. If they're only visible to Force-sensitives, Leia should've seen them. If they're only visible to who they choose to be visible to, that sorta needed to be established better. *shrug*
But all the visions we see in the PT are jarring to me, given that prior precedent. The flashbacks in Rogue One irk me. And when you remove them, it becomes even more obvious Cassian is the main character, not Jyn. I don't like the mystical weight JJ (and whomever else) have given Anakin's lightsaber for the ST. It never seemed to be a Dagobah-cave level of Force nexus before. If part of the "long story" of it coming into Maz's possession included it being imbued with more juju, that should've been conveyed somehow. If it wasn't, we shouldn't have seen Rey's vision. Keeping the visions unseen by the audience lends more impact when they are, such as the "long-distance calls" between Kylo and Rey in TLJ.
And
all of this discussion further highlights the need to have had more content for the in-between years to transition us to the ST. Show us Luke confronting his nephew in the objectivity of the camera, then, later, each of their skewed stories, before Luke breaks down and tells on himself -- without reusing the objective footage from when the training center was destroyed. No flashbacks "just because". We already saw it. Having him talk about it would be fine.
And lastly, one thing that's been niggling me for a while... Arndt said he had to remove Luke from the Episode VII script because he kept overshadowing the new characters once he showed up. But that's kicking a problem down the road, and introducing another facet of the same problem. From opening crawl to final shot, TFA is
all about Luke Skywalker. He overshadows the whole movie with his frikkin'
absence. Poe's looking for him, the First Order is looking for him, Han talks about him, Rey and Finn have heard stories about him, Rey finds his old lightsaber, and -- as soon as she's freed from First Order custody and the Starkiller destroyed -- goes looking for him.
Just like George's handling of the Prequels, I feel like there's an interesting story here, but the camera's always on the wrong people at the wrong moments, and not where it should be, or when. It's been my complaint since TFA hit that there's a lot more story we-the-audience
need to have seen before we got to that point. Luke overshadows the ST, and Han and Leia not far behind, because we didn't get to see even broad strokes of how they got to where they are at that point, so we need to have time spent on them, when the story is ostensibly supposed to be about the new crowd. Insert my rant about letting go of the trilogy model here. Nine episodes per central character, rather than three, and a lot of these issues evaporate. Dammit, George...
