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During the schematic break down when they are talking about the attack Dodonna talks about how the exhaust ports are Ray Shielded.
This is part of why I don't care for Rogue One because it makes the Empire look stupid rather than arrogant. Though if you are going just on A New Hope it was pride that took them down just as much as it was Luke and the Rebels.
Dodonna also says, "The Empire doesn't consider a small one man fighter to be any threat otherwise they would have a tighter defense."
Plus you have that one Imperial officer bragging about the Death Star's capabilities before being choked out by Vader during the conference room briefing. Even Tarkin, when warned during the height of the assault that "there is a danger, should I have your ship standing by?" scoffed at the officer and dismissed him in anger.
Those things alone speak to the hubris of the Empire and how their arrogance was their downfall.
I just find it strange how over the years fans seem to think the exhaust ports needed any more explanation that what was given in the movie. I mean even having a rudimentary understanding of electronics I think most people are aware that lots of times large pieces of machinery generate a lot of heat, and when you consider the power of an entire space station the size of a small moon, you gotta get rid of that heat somehow. An exhaust port seems like a really simple solution to that problem. The Empire's fatal mistake was that they underestimated the Rebels tactics.
I don't say this to be argumentative, but more interested in why this is a point of contention with some fans that warranted the need for an entire movie to explain it away when it was already answered several times in A New Hope. But that's just me. I know others feel differently.
This is part of why I don't care for Rogue One because it makes the Empire look stupid rather than arrogant. Though if you are going just on A New Hope it was pride that took them down just as much as it was Luke and the Rebels.
Dodonna also says, "The Empire doesn't consider a small one man fighter to be any threat otherwise they would have a tighter defense."
Plus you have that one Imperial officer bragging about the Death Star's capabilities before being choked out by Vader during the conference room briefing. Even Tarkin, when warned during the height of the assault that "there is a danger, should I have your ship standing by?" scoffed at the officer and dismissed him in anger.
Those things alone speak to the hubris of the Empire and how their arrogance was their downfall.
I just find it strange how over the years fans seem to think the exhaust ports needed any more explanation that what was given in the movie. I mean even having a rudimentary understanding of electronics I think most people are aware that lots of times large pieces of machinery generate a lot of heat, and when you consider the power of an entire space station the size of a small moon, you gotta get rid of that heat somehow. An exhaust port seems like a really simple solution to that problem. The Empire's fatal mistake was that they underestimated the Rebels tactics.
I don't say this to be argumentative, but more interested in why this is a point of contention with some fans that warranted the need for an entire movie to explain it away when it was already answered several times in A New Hope. But that's just me. I know others feel differently.
I enjoyed certain aspects of Rogue One but I just find it interesting that this has been a topic of discussion among fans for a number of years, even long before Disney ever entered the picture. I can recall the sci-fi magazines in the 90's having contests between Star Wars and Star Trek, ranking the tech from each world and who would win in a battle and the Death Star almost always lost because of this flaw. So this is nothing new to the fandom and I don't bring it up to be contentious. I just find it interesting. lol
I, for one, cannot wait until the next trilogy....
Episode 10 or 11 should about the time that Rey Sky....Sky...Sky...sorry, the “Will of The Force” seems to be preventing me from typing it.
This should be around the time that Rey’s “Palpatine Genes” kick-in and she starts developing a glorious monster face.
I believe that the pre-production art is already being developed:
Episode 10 or 11 should about the time that Rey Sky....Sky...Sky...sorry, the “Will of The Force” seems to be preventing me from typing it.
This should be around the time that Rey’s “Palpatine Genes” kick-in and she starts developing a glorious monster face.
I believe that the pre-production art is already being developed:
harrisonp
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And really to be fair to the Empire it did take a literally supernatural shot from Luke to blow the thing up.
Ive always been of the mindset that I only care about what’s outside the movies if it enriches them, I don’t care about all the dissection of the tech or “sci-fification” that has been done to SW after the fact, especially when comparing it to Trek. It’s largely why I would never take part in a SW trivia night, because I don’t care how many horse power someone in a visual dictionary decided an X-wing has.
Ive always been of the mindset that I only care about what’s outside the movies if it enriches them, I don’t care about all the dissection of the tech or “sci-fification” that has been done to SW after the fact, especially when comparing it to Trek. It’s largely why I would never take part in a SW trivia night, because I don’t care how many horse power someone in a visual dictionary decided an X-wing has.
HeartBlade
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Yeah the Death Star’s weakness is also due to arrogance and ignorance (it’s not the first time in human history that a seemingly minor problem resulted in major catastrophes) but the exhaust port was also pretty well guarded.
the rebels knew about the weakness and essentially launched a surprise full frontal assault on the exhaust port. Apparently there were 30 ships and only 2 made it far enough that they could actually shoot a proton torpedo into the port. The port is also tiny (2 meters) and thus relied on a very capable pilot like force-sensitive Luke Skywalker to make the shot. Palpatine in ESB also seems to imply that only someone with the force could make that shot.
the rebels knew about the weakness and essentially launched a surprise full frontal assault on the exhaust port. Apparently there were 30 ships and only 2 made it far enough that they could actually shoot a proton torpedo into the port. The port is also tiny (2 meters) and thus relied on a very capable pilot like force-sensitive Luke Skywalker to make the shot. Palpatine in ESB also seems to imply that only someone with the force could make that shot.
sztriki
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No he didn't. The one with McDiarmid wearing a Halloween mask is not ESB, creepy monkey-eyed lady Emperor FTW.
#notmypalpie
It's funny, my kid and I were just talking yesterday about how The Mandalorian is effectively one of those "SW technical manuals", where it provides intricate back stories for minor props and characters from the movies, e.g. "You see, the ice cream maker from ESB is actually a 'camtono', which is a security container for storing valuables, and here's how it works." Viewed through that lens, we're enjoying that aspect of the show. The writers seem to be having a good time.
harrisonp
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I think that kind of stuff is fine, because it’s inconsequential really and only explains enough as to keep the story fleshed out. I just don’t need to pry too deeply into exactly what purpose the fourth dampening coil in the Hyperdrive motivator serves 
. If it’s broken and the story tells me that’s bad then I believe them.
. If it’s broken and the story tells me that’s bad then I believe them.HeartBlade
Sr Member
Do you mean the original didn’t imply or Palpatine never did?
I agree that monkey face never did but remastered Sheev states “the young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.” I took that to mean that the pilot who destroyed the Death Star must be Anakin’s boy since he must be strong I. The force to make that shot. I could be reading too much into that phrase though.
Just like most (if not all) the changes it was totally unnecessary. It never bothered me that it wasn't Ian McDiarmid in Empire. There was something truly unsettling and creepy about Clive Revell's voice with the old lady and chimp eyes. I mean it was such a brief scene and a hologram no less so when the emperor showed up in person in ROTJ it never really jarred me.
sztriki
Sr Member
I know, I was just joking.
RedheadKevin
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Well I can see after TFA that they now believe SW fans will throw money at ANYTHING labeled "Star Wars"!
Joek3rr
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So the new Star Wars Archives book is coming out. And some people have got them earlier. In it we see another one of George Lucas's "plans" for the Sequel Trilogy. I'm not sure what year it's from, definitely post The Clone Wars, but pre Michael Arndt. Anyways at one point George was going to the Sith return and Darth Maul and Darth Talon be the main villains, with Leia becoming The Chosen One....
THE CHOSEN ONE
George Lucas: When writing the movies, I tried to make sure that aliens and droids got killed, but not people.
Paul Duncan: A lot of stormtroopers died.
George Lucas: That's right, but you didn't know they were people. We did kill three humans and that was unfortunate. I was always bothered by it.
Paul Duncan: When was that?
George Lucas: On the Death Star, when Han and Luke go into the prison with Chewie to rescue Leia, they shoot three Imperial guys. The guards drew their guns and fired first, but it's still a shame.
Paul Duncan: Really?
George Lucas: Yeah, we very consciously didn't kill very many humans in those movies.
Paul Duncan: What about the stormtroopers? They look robotic, but they're not.
George Lucas: How do you know what they are?
Paul Duncan: Did you have a different idea of what they were?
George Lucas: Yeah, they started out as clones. Once all the clones were killed, the Empire picked up recruits, like militia.
They fought, but they weren't very good at what they did.
Paul Duncan: That's why they kept missing.
George Lucas: That's why they kept missing. Then after the Rebels won, there were no more stormtroopers in my version of the third trilogy.
I had planned for the first trilogy to be about the father, the second trilogy to be about the son, and the third trilogy to be about the daughter and the grandchildren.
Episode VII, VIII, and IX would take ideas from what happened after the Iraq War. "Okay, you fought the war, you killed everybody, now what are you going to do?" Rebuilding afterwards is harder than starting a rebellion or fighting the war. When you win the war and you disband the opposing army, what do they do? The stormtroopers would be like Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist fighters that joined ISIS and kept on fighting. The stormtroopers refuse to give up when the Republic win.
They want to be stormtroopers forever, so they go to a far corner of the galaxy, start their own country and their own rebellion.
There's a power vacuum so gangsters, like the Hutts, are taking advantage of the situation, and there is chaos. The key person is Darth Maul, who had been resurrected in The Clone Wars cartoons—he brings all the gangs together.
Paul Duncan: Was Darth Maul the main villain?
George Lucas: Yeah, but he's very old, and we have two versions of him. One is with a set of cybernetic legs like a spider, and then later on he has metal legs and he was a little bit bigger, more of a superhero. We did all this in the animated series, he was in a bunch of episodes.
Darth Maul trained a girl, Darth Talon, who was in the comic books as his apprentice. She was the new Darth Vader, and most of the action was with her. So these were the two main villains of the trilogy. Maul eventually becomes the godfather of crime in the universe because, as the Empire falls, he takes over.
The movies are about how Leia—I mean, who else is going to be the leader?—is trying to build the Republic. They still have the apparatus of the Republic but they have to get it under control from the gangsters. That was the main story.
It starts out a few years after Return of the Jedi and we establish pretty quickly that there's this underworld, there are these offshoot stormtroopers who started their own planets, and that Luke is trying to restart the Jedi. He puts the word out, so out of 100,000 Jedi, maybe 50 or 100 are left. The Jedi have to grow again from scratch, so Luke has to find two- and three-year-olds, and train them. It'll be 20 years before you have a new generation of Jedi.
By the end of the trilogy Luke would have rebuilt much of the Jedi, and we would have the renewal of the New Republic, with Leia, Senator Organa, becoming the Supreme Chancellor in charge of everything. So she ended up being the Chosen One.
THE CHOSEN ONE
George Lucas: When writing the movies, I tried to make sure that aliens and droids got killed, but not people.
Paul Duncan: A lot of stormtroopers died.
George Lucas: That's right, but you didn't know they were people. We did kill three humans and that was unfortunate. I was always bothered by it.
Paul Duncan: When was that?
George Lucas: On the Death Star, when Han and Luke go into the prison with Chewie to rescue Leia, they shoot three Imperial guys. The guards drew their guns and fired first, but it's still a shame.
Paul Duncan: Really?
George Lucas: Yeah, we very consciously didn't kill very many humans in those movies.
Paul Duncan: What about the stormtroopers? They look robotic, but they're not.
George Lucas: How do you know what they are?
Paul Duncan: Did you have a different idea of what they were?
George Lucas: Yeah, they started out as clones. Once all the clones were killed, the Empire picked up recruits, like militia.
They fought, but they weren't very good at what they did.
Paul Duncan: That's why they kept missing.
George Lucas: That's why they kept missing. Then after the Rebels won, there were no more stormtroopers in my version of the third trilogy.
I had planned for the first trilogy to be about the father, the second trilogy to be about the son, and the third trilogy to be about the daughter and the grandchildren.
Episode VII, VIII, and IX would take ideas from what happened after the Iraq War. "Okay, you fought the war, you killed everybody, now what are you going to do?" Rebuilding afterwards is harder than starting a rebellion or fighting the war. When you win the war and you disband the opposing army, what do they do? The stormtroopers would be like Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist fighters that joined ISIS and kept on fighting. The stormtroopers refuse to give up when the Republic win.
They want to be stormtroopers forever, so they go to a far corner of the galaxy, start their own country and their own rebellion.
There's a power vacuum so gangsters, like the Hutts, are taking advantage of the situation, and there is chaos. The key person is Darth Maul, who had been resurrected in The Clone Wars cartoons—he brings all the gangs together.
Paul Duncan: Was Darth Maul the main villain?
George Lucas: Yeah, but he's very old, and we have two versions of him. One is with a set of cybernetic legs like a spider, and then later on he has metal legs and he was a little bit bigger, more of a superhero. We did all this in the animated series, he was in a bunch of episodes.
Darth Maul trained a girl, Darth Talon, who was in the comic books as his apprentice. She was the new Darth Vader, and most of the action was with her. So these were the two main villains of the trilogy. Maul eventually becomes the godfather of crime in the universe because, as the Empire falls, he takes over.
The movies are about how Leia—I mean, who else is going to be the leader?—is trying to build the Republic. They still have the apparatus of the Republic but they have to get it under control from the gangsters. That was the main story.
It starts out a few years after Return of the Jedi and we establish pretty quickly that there's this underworld, there are these offshoot stormtroopers who started their own planets, and that Luke is trying to restart the Jedi. He puts the word out, so out of 100,000 Jedi, maybe 50 or 100 are left. The Jedi have to grow again from scratch, so Luke has to find two- and three-year-olds, and train them. It'll be 20 years before you have a new generation of Jedi.
By the end of the trilogy Luke would have rebuilt much of the Jedi, and we would have the renewal of the New Republic, with Leia, Senator Organa, becoming the Supreme Chancellor in charge of everything. So she ended up being the Chosen One.
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