Is this the PERFECT Obi-Wan EP1 saber?

[Anakin Starkiller]

Now that is kinda interesting.

Can you get a pic of the other sides of the pommel cubes? There does seem to be a bit of the remnant of holes in the pommel cubes, but the quality of the casting makes it difficult to tell if it is consistent.

Dan

 

[cayman shen]

I gotta say, I never really liked this saber, and this thread is giving me a new appreciation. The more I look at the CAD, the more a little voice is telling me I have to have one...if I had any ^$&@()@(& money.

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

Here is a comparison of the side step between the stunt and the MR from a different angle.

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Dan

 

[SithLord]

Of course angle will play a role here, but to me at least there's a difference in the width of the step...

 

[lonepigeon]

<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Oct 21 2006, 11:47 PM) [snapback]1342464[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>(lonepigeon @ Oct 21 2006, 07:31 PM) [snapback]1342458[/snapback]

Looks like yours has an added o-ring under the button, but otherwise the same.
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Otherwise the same? The pattern is completely different on the red button...
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Both are two complete diamonds tall/thick.
Your little blue diagonal lines are marked wrong. Both should have 4 blue dashes if you marked it correctly.
I'm still not sure if you added a o-ring to the MR the stem might be too thick compared to the your stunt.


<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Oct 21 2006, 11:47 PM) [snapback]1342464[/snapback]</div>

So then it doesn't have two concentric lines evenly spaced in the interior of the hole, along with this particular oval shaped structure with a circular indentation in the center? It should.... .

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Actually look at my pic and you can see the concentric lines inside.
It sounds like the indentation you're describing is the screw hole.
I find it odd that the hole under the Covertec is even the same size. There's not reason for it to be. All the stunt needs is a small indent to mark the screw hole.

If those are remnants of the holes in the pommel cubes that would be a point in favor of it being real. They don't seem to be consistant though and considering the bubbly casting they might not be indicative of the holes.

The main problem I see is the depth of the grip cutout, which everyone seems to be ignoring.
From photos it appears that it is half the depth of the tube, same as the MR AOTC.
I know that the MR AOTC is wrong and only has that depth because the factory in China couldn't cut it any deeper.

 

[SithLord]

<div class='quotetop'>(lonepigeon @ Oct 21 2006, 09:17 PM) [snapback]1342506[/snapback]</div>

Actually look at my pic and you can see the concentric lines inside.
It sounds like the indentation you're describing is the screw hole.
I find it odd that the hole under the Covertec is even the same size. There's not reason for it to be. All the stunt needs is a small indent to mark the screw hole.

If those are remnants of the holes in the pommel cubes that would be a point in favor of it being real. They don't seem to be consistant though and considering the bubbly casting they might not be indicative of the holes.

The main problem I see is the depth of the grip cutout, which everyone seems to be ignoring.
From photos it appears that it is half the depth of the tube, same as the MR AOTC.
I know that the MR AOTC is wrong and only has that depth because the factory in China couldn't cut it any deeper.
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I'll have pics of the other side of the cubes shortly. Hard to show the filled remnant of the holes from the other side side that side has been sanded down....but it looks like the holes were filled. BTW, that original mold I have is of the same type of saber and has the same features in the hole, as well.

 

[lonepigeon]

OK, here's a closeup shot of the MR hole.

Note the concentric rings and that crescent blob of metal to the pommel side - just like SithLord's.
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That's a difficult similarity to explain away.

There are differences in the TPM and AOTC stunts, but this resin saber doesn't match either of them.

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

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[Saberz]

<div class='quotetop'>(Anakin Starkiller @ Oct 21 2006, 09:45 PM) [snapback]1342411[/snapback]</div>

Here is another interesting feature of the saber's construction
Dan


And here is a comparison pic of my pommel and the new render.

Some food for thought

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As to the first thing (the little groove before the grip shroud steps), that's been on there since my first revision. I'll post a closer pic of that later.

As to the pommel, I did a couple little tweaks based on that great comparison photo. It probably doesn't match your saber *exactly*, Dan, but I think that's in part due to the inconsistency of resin casts. I'm confident this version of the pommel is just about perfect:

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As to the emitter shroud being a sleeve only -- I still need to add that into the CAD, and will do that soon.

 

[SithLord]

<div class='quotetop'>(lonepigeon @ Oct 21 2006, 09:41 PM) [snapback]1342517[/snapback]</div>

OK, here's a closeup shot of the MR hole.

Note the concentric rings and that crescent blob of metal to the pommel side - just like SithLord's.
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That's a difficult similarity to explain away.
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There's no screw hole within the hole...how do you explain that? Why would that section where the oval is on mine be machined down? You would see that oval protubrance on the MR as well then. How many rings do you see?

Let's have a look at this one...

Note the extent of the depth of the grips...

And a comparison with mine. Note the shape (flat section where red line is) and smooth surface of the emitter...that small button being broken in half...almost as mine is.

 

[lonepigeon]

<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Oct 22 2006, 02:29 AM) [snapback]1342530[/snapback]</div>

There's no screw hole within the hole...how do you explain that? Why would that section where the oval is on mine be machined down? You would see that oval protubrance on the MR as well then.
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I thought you said there was a dimple at the bottom? Any screw hole would have to be filled for casting. You couldn't leave the screw hole running to the center of the mold.

Is that a perfect oval? It looks like the odd metal flashing on the MR.

I wouldn't mind this stunt being proven as real, but so far the ONLY thing it resembles is the MR AOTC.

<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Oct 22 2006, 02:37 AM) [snapback]1342530[/snapback]</div>

Note the extent of the depth of the grips...

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Good point the grips are deeper than yours and the MR AOTC.

 

[SithLord]

<div class='quotetop'>(lonepigeon @ Oct 21 2006, 10:46 PM) [snapback]1342535[/snapback]</div>

I thought you said there was a dimple at the bottom? Any screw hole would have to be filled for casting. You couldn't leave the screw hole running to the center of the mold.

Is that a perfect oval? It looks like the odd metal flashing on the MR.

I wouldn't mind this stunt being proven as real, but so far the ONLY thing it resembles is the MR AOTC.

Good point the grips are deeper than yours and the MR AOTC.
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It's an oval shape with a circular indentation in the center...I didn't mean on the bottom of the hole. The oval shaped protubrance (not a flashing as on the MR) has sharp edges around it's circumference...it's clearly some kind of spring-loaded receiver. Here are more photos inside that hole. No screw hole at the bottom, and only a single circumferential groove at the 3/4 position toward the opening of the hole...that first photo I showed seemed to have some other kind of crack or shallow mark. The bottom of the hole on mine is flat with a little bit of debris under that oval-shaped protuberance or receiver.

I'm not sure now what you mean by deeper grips? They are the same on mine as the one in the DVD footage.

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

I did another quick comparison of the pommel design.

Nick I think that you've just about nailed it. Without having a real world version of your saber we can't really get the images to match up exactly because the camera distorts the prop. But even with the visual discrepancies, I still think your model looks just about dead on.

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Nice work

Dan

 

[lonepigeon]

Moved to the other thread.
Sorry for running so long with the hijack.

 

[Hez]

Well I just groaned when I saw the extra detail above the O-ring. I am NOT doing another one of these. It is a pain in the ass.

Imperious, very kind of you to point out all the inaccuracies in mine (though there really isn't that many), but I'm actually happy with it. So I'll remain in blissful ignorance of what you consider wrong with it. As far as I know, it remains the best fanmade replica...

 

[SithLord]

EDIT:

will continue this in a new thread in respect of not derailing this one .

 

[Saberz]

<div class='quotetop'>(lonepigeon @ Oct 22 2006, 04:31 AM) [snapback]1342575[/snapback]</div>

The grip cutout is past the halfway point of the tube on a correct saber so that you could never see all silver in this section of the body from any rotation.
Maybe Dan can provide a picture of his or Zenkai can turn his CAD model to this orientation.
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Only too happy to oblige, Chris. However, I'd like to ask that we all get back to the topic of this thread, which is to find the perfect TPM saber, not the origins of SithLord's AOTC stunt. (EDIT: Thanks for starting a breakout thread, SithLord. Very classy of you.)

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<div class='quotetop'>(Anakin Starkiller @ Oct 22 2006, 03:10 AM) [snapback]1342546[/snapback]</div>

I did another quick comparison of the pommel design.

Nick I think that you've just about nailed it.
Nice work

Dan
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Thanks for the kind words, Dan, and for staying on topic

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

I made a couple of tweeks to the last model.

Let me know what you think


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Dan Stokes
DDStokes@aol.com

 

[Saberz]

<div class='quotetop'>(Anakin Starkiller @ Oct 22 2006, 05:29 AM) [snapback]1342596[/snapback]</div>

I made a couple of tweeks to the last model.

Let me know what you think

Dan Stokes
DDStokes@aol.com
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From what I've seen of those dims elsewhere, they're not that wide. I'd like to think (and I could be wrong) that when your stunt was pulled, this is one area where things got slightly stretched. I'll try to find some better reference of that area if I can.

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

I don't think that the visual problem you're having with the pommel compare is a result of the resin casting, but is more of a mater of perspective.

In most of the pictures that have shown up of the OWK hero saber, we see a long shot of the saber from the side where the camera is focused on the center of the saber. Like this:

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When the camera focuses on the center of the saber, the lense distorts the ends of the saber, particularly the pommel, and turns it away from us. This makes the pommel look shorter. I have shown how this works in the bottom pic. (Albeit a bit exagerated)

When you shoot the pommel strait on, you get less dirstorion and the pommel appears longer, which to my eye more closely reflects how the pommel appears in real life. this is the top pic. (Both the top and bottom pommel are from the same prop, they just look like different colors because of the backround)

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Now the reason why the CG model might not look right when it's longer is because it doesn't distort your view of the saber the same way as a real world close up shot does.

Dan