Is this the PERFECT Obi-Wan EP1 saber?

[Saberz]

<div class='quotetop'>(Hez @ Oct 20 2006, 01:53 PM) [snapback]1341554[/snapback]</div>

Zenkai, with regards to the pommel, the diameter is only part of it. It is initially a 90 degree angle, which then maybe 1mm afterwards turns into the shape you're showing. The MR Elite was actually right on this aspect.

There is no 'close enough', as you well know. I got 'close enough', as a few people here will say, I'm sure, but it's not perfect. I would add the one detail to mine if I could.

Slightly (very) drunk, so apologies if this makes no sense...
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Hez,

Thanks for the drunken advice, it was actually useful. :lol
I do know that there's no such thing as 'close enough' as far as ACCURACY is concerned. What I'm talking about is just trying to match the virtual camera of my CAD software to the actual camera used to take the picture for the VD. It's tough, given the unique distortion qualities of real-world lenses.

Changes made:
* Read grip shroud cutout now comes from top (rather than side)
* First pommel step beveled and corrected
* Last pommel step before endcap rounded

Anything else you see?

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[Anakin Starkiller]

You really are doing an excellent job.

I compared your model to my stunt and saw a couple of differences. They were all relatively small, and any changes would be minor.

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Keep up the good work

Dan Stokes

 

[lonepigeon]

Dan - Is your stunt like SithLord's?

SithLord - Is the grip cutout on your stunt only half the depth of the tube?
It looks like it is and Imperious noticed this too. That's one feature I've never seen on a real Obi-Wan saber, only the MR AOTC (and that was only because they couldn't machine it correctly, it's not accurate).
Are you sure of the stunt's authenticity?
It's definitely not an Ep1 stunt. I double checked some reference and the Ep1 stunts are cast from the Ep1 Hero we see in this thread.

Zenkai - Where the black part of the pommel starts there's a straight bit section before it angles. I see you have a slight one indicated, but it should be almost twice that.

 

[Saberz]

Nah, I've seen Dan's, and it's definitely cast from the hero.

 

[Darth Lars]

<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 21 2006, 12:35 AM) [snapback]1341833[/snapback]</div>

* Last pommel step before endcap rounded
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No, that step is sharp. It is the next edge I meant that is slightly rounded, just below the pommel cubes.
It is only a very slight roundness. It is just not as sharp as the other edges on the pommel.
I think MR got this right with the EE.

 

[lonepigeon]

A lot of the edges aren't real sharp because the black parts are black painted resin on the Hero.

 

[Saberz]

<div class='quotetop'>(lonepigeon @ Oct 21 2006, 01:32 AM) [snapback]1341951[/snapback]</div>

A lot of the edges aren't real sharp because the black parts are black painted resin on the Hero.
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Yeah, it's tough to decide how much of a fillet to apply to each edge. Further scrutiny of my reference materials, and I think this is about right:

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[OldKen]

good ol Hez... hows that sake bro...??? LOL...

you lucky lucky guy.

anywho, yeah i would love to see the deffinative obi saber be nailed to the ground, looks like this here might be the crew to do it.

im and OT guy, (so not much help ) but LOVE this saber design. best of the prequels...

so BRING IT... :love

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

Here is a pic of my stunt saber. I was made for the production of EP1 or Ep2 but never used. This pic kinda sucks and don't show alot of detail. I will try to post more tommarow, but I cannot find the cord that connects my camera to my computer.

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Dan

 

[Hez]

Looking good mate...pommel looks good to me, as does the grip shroud cutout being from the top. There are NO good photos of that area that are easily available, but you seem to have got it very close.

Even if this remains a pipedream, you've put a lot of work in.

 

[SithLord]

<div class='quotetop'>(lonepigeon @ Oct 20 2006, 08:46 PM) [snapback]1341931[/snapback]</div>

Dan - Is your stunt like SithLord's?

SithLord - Is the grip cutout on your stunt only half the depth of the tube?
It looks like it is and Imperious noticed this too. That's one feature I've never seen on a real Obi-Wan saber, only the MR AOTC (and that was only because they couldn't machine it correctly, it's not accurate).
Are you sure of the stunt's authenticity?
It's definitely not an Ep1 stunt. I double checked some reference and the Ep1 stunts are cast from the Ep1 Hero we see in this thread.
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Here are more photos of my saber. I appreciate you guys trying to make heads or tails of it as I'm not really knowledgeable about the sabers. I'm absolutely positive of my stunt's authenticity insofar as the source is concerned. It is supposed to be cast from an original from TPM, but given the information presented in this thread I should double check with my source on that. My only explanation might be that there were two for TPM and this one was carried over to AOTC, whereas the TPM one that you guys are familiar with was lost? Just an idea...

Here's mine next to Anakin Starkiller's original stunt saber...same orientation.

Here are different orientations of my saber...

A view like one of the ones on that cool website showing the TPM/AOTC MR sabers...

I hope this helps...

 

[Saberz]

Here's a higher-res comparison shot. Looks pretty good, don't it?
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[SithLord]

wowsa. :thumbsup

 

[Anakin Starkiller]

<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 21 2006, 05:43 PM) [snapback]1342290[/snapback]</div>

Here's a higher-res comparison shot. Looks pretty good, don't it?
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Lookin good
:eek
Dan

 

[stonky]

Interesting...the Starkiller stunt saber looks more like the hero saber than the SithLord stunt saber does. (look at the o-ring, the stepping, etc.).

 

[neosporing]

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<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 21 2006, 05:43 PM) [snapback]1342290[/snapback]

Here's a higher-res comparison shot. Looks pretty good, don't it?
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Lookin good
:eek
Dan [/b][/quote]

these look fantastic zenkai. If you ever decide to do a run are you going to make it capable of holding a stunt blade (or electronics?) As far as i know, there isn't a screen accurate TPM obi in existance that can hold an el blade. (i know larbels does but it has that fat inner handle...)
Anyway if you made this saber with a hole for taking a stunt blade, i'd be interested in your 'Ultimate TPM Saber'

 

[lonepigeon]

Dan's is definitely a TPM stunt saber copied from the TPM Hero.

It appears that SithLord's is an AOTC stunt. Looking at the AOTC VD and MR AOTC replica it has several features that match. AOTC stunts had stems to the buttons (TPM widened the stems compared to the Hero presumably to be easier to cast). AOTC "brass valve" has a wider faced rim and no knurling like SithLord's. AOTC saber has sharp 90 corners in the transistion area below the head of the saber- like SithLord's.
The only area in question to me is the grip cutout.
SithLord's looks to have the same depth grip cutout as MR, but the MR is not as deep as the real props.

 

[Crimsonnaire]

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<div class='quotetop'>(Hez @ Oct 20 2006, 08:20 AM) [snapback]1341445[/snapback]

You also need to be careful about the step down near the grip. The silver section where the covertec sits, on the opposite side, there is a chunk cut out, is NOT cut how larbel did it, the only ones I've seen with the right cut are the MR Elite, and mine.
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Could you explain that a little bit more?

My interpretation of this detail was that the "chunk" was cut 90° (straight down) to the tube surface as well.
That is how I filed this detail down on my own replica.
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Well, since Hez spilled half of the beans, I might as well spill the rest.

The fundamental difference in the wire-cut profile in this area is that it is cut from side to side, and not from bottom to top. When it is cut from bottom to top, the wire would have to be positioned horizontal with respect to the covertec knob at 6 o'clock. Alternatively, if it is cut from side to side, the cutter would have to be positioned vertical with respect to the same covertec position. Having it cut the accurate way will have the 90-degree wall maintained overall, whereas the common method would produce a surface that's 180 degrees, transitioning to 90 degrees from the side curves. This is emphasized in the picture below, with the correct profile being in the bottom pictures, which is of the MR Obi TPM.

Hey, Paul. If you want any mistakes to be pointed out on your current Obi TPM, just post pictures and I would be happy to volunteer.

<div class='quotetop'>(lonepigeon @ Oct 21 2006, 02:31 PM) [snapback]1342350[/snapback]</div>

It appears that SithLord's is an AOTC stunt. Looking at the AOTC VD and MR AOTC replica it has several features that match. AOTC stunts had stems to the buttons (TPM widened the stems compared to the Hero presumably to be easier to cast). AOTC "brass valve" has a wider faced rim and no knurling like SithLord's. AOTC saber has sharp 90 corners in the transistion area below the head of the saber- like SithLord's.
The only area in question to me is the grip cutout.
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On the contrary, the AOTC prop that appears in the VD does not have 90-degree steps on the collar and o-ring sections, neither does it have a smaller pommel diameter equal to the section above nor the raised grip depth that, so far, has only been seen on the MR Obi AOTC. Moreover, the "chunk" section on the AOTC VD prop also appears to have the same profile as the EP1 hero, which the MR Obi AOTC is clearly void of.

This is, of course, unless you're referring to an image of another AOTC prop, perhaps a screencap from the film?

 

[lonepigeon]

So you think that SithLord's is a poor cast from an MR AOTC?
I admit it seems it could be.

 

[SithLord]

Here are photos of the end section (sorry I'm not up on the terminology )

And what's going on here with the misalignment of the black ridges?