Is this the PERFECT Obi-Wan EP1 saber?
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Darth Lars
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<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 23 2006, 05:47 PM) [snapback]1343387[/snapback]</div>
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I am talking about the lower edge of the collar, not the upper edge. The upper edge is chamfered on the replica I made for myself also.
I have not seen any reference pic that shows the lower edge well enough, and I would not trust a resin cast for this detail either.
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Relative to eachother, they are good. But how did you get the base dimension to start from? What is the diameter of the grip area? The diameter of the emitter shroud?
I don't mean to be rude. I am just checking a last time before you commit to it.
If I wasn't so attached to the one I made myself, I would definitely order one from you, Zenkai.
It's quite obvious from the reference pictures. If you don't trust me, ask anyone who is more familiar with the saber.
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I am talking about the lower edge of the collar, not the upper edge. The upper edge is chamfered on the replica I made for myself also.
I have not seen any reference pic that shows the lower edge well enough, and I would not trust a resin cast for this detail either.
<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 23 2006, 05:47 PM) [snapback]1343387[/snapback]</div>
No. I hope Anakin Starkiller does not mind me reposting his pic. Here, I outlined part of the edge in red and added blue arrows. (I hope pic posting works this time)
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<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 23 2006, 05:47 PM) [snapback]1343387[/snapback]</div>
Take a look at the higher-res comparison pic I posted earlier. Some dims have been tweaked a tiny bit, but I think they still speak for themselves.
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Relative to eachother, they are good. But how did you get the base dimension to start from? What is the diameter of the grip area? The diameter of the emitter shroud?
I don't mean to be rude. I am just checking a last time before you commit to it.
If I wasn't so attached to the one I made myself, I would definitely order one from you, Zenkai.
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What you're pointing out here is really a construction issue; if the final emitter ring is made of a separate part than the rest of the emitter shroud, you'll see that edge. My model features a one-piece emitter shroud, so no edge. Also, just out of curiosity, why do "trust" the resin recast for purposes of this detail, but not for the equally-well-defined lower collar chamfer?
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Covertec clip and LED bezels.
Yes, I know which edge you're talking about. My answer is the same.
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No. I hope Anakin Starkiller does not mind me reposting his pic. Here, I outlined part of the edge in red and added blue arrows. (I hope pic posting works this time)
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What you're pointing out here is really a construction issue; if the final emitter ring is made of a separate part than the rest of the emitter shroud, you'll see that edge. My model features a one-piece emitter shroud, so no edge. Also, just out of curiosity, why do "trust" the resin recast for purposes of this detail, but not for the equally-well-defined lower collar chamfer?
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Relative to eachother, they are good. But how did you get the base dimension to start from?
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Covertec clip and LED bezels.
Darth Lars
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<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 23 2006, 11:44 PM) [snapback]1343538[/snapback]</div>
For this tiny detail that we are discussing, one needs to have really good pics of the Hero to be sure.
Pics that are too blurry are no good. Pics that show the saber cut out from its original background can not be trusted because we don't know if it was cut accurately. We don't know in many pics if what can be perceived as a chamfer really is a chamfer or an artifact in the narrowing of the sleeve that we discussed earlier.
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Very well, but remember that these are small details that have to represent other parts that are several times larger.
You need to have had very good precision in measuring the covertec clip in the pictures for the larger dimensions to be accurate.
I simply don't agree that the lower collar chamfer is equally well defined. Whether the edge is straight or chamfered is a much smaller detail than the step inside the emitter. I think that edges on a resin cast can be rounded by the casting process and resin shrinkage.
For this tiny detail that we are discussing, one needs to have really good pics of the Hero to be sure.
Pics that are too blurry are no good. Pics that show the saber cut out from its original background can not be trusted because we don't know if it was cut accurately. We don't know in many pics if what can be perceived as a chamfer really is a chamfer or an artifact in the narrowing of the sleeve that we discussed earlier.
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Covertec clip and LED bezels.
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Very well, but remember that these are small details that have to represent other parts that are several times larger.
You need to have had very good precision in measuring the covertec clip in the pictures for the larger dimensions to be accurate.
I find your assertions about the stunt recast to be unconvincing. But anyway, you can even see the lower chamfer in the VD picture. It can't simply be an artifact of the photoshop cutout -- look at how that ring reflects light all around the saber. A flat edge would not do that. It also can't be the back end of a 90-degree cut, because that's where the photo's perspective is "dead on" -- where lines should all be vertical.
As it so happens, Larbel, Jedivic, and MR all agree with me that the lower edge has a chamfer -- don't know why you're so stuck on denying it.
Regarding the overall proportions, it satisfies me that my saber ended up being within 0.01" of the total length of the Jedivic saber (he states that his is 11.25", while mine is 11.24"). I tend to think that his saber is a pretty good measuring stick. If you think my saber is off somewhere, please tell me. But just saying "it might be wrong" isn't very productive to the goal of getting the most accurate design.
As it so happens, Larbel, Jedivic, and MR all agree with me that the lower edge has a chamfer -- don't know why you're so stuck on denying it.
Regarding the overall proportions, it satisfies me that my saber ended up being within 0.01" of the total length of the Jedivic saber (he states that his is 11.25", while mine is 11.24"). I tend to think that his saber is a pretty good measuring stick. If you think my saber is off somewhere, please tell me. But just saying "it might be wrong" isn't very productive to the goal of getting the most accurate design.
Jedi_Rainman
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This is a pretty awesome project. I just read through all seven pages. Keep up the good work and look me up if a run takes place.
i don't have time to read all seven pages but your Maul saber turned out so sweet that i'm in regardless...
great job Zenkai.
thanks for all the hard work and research on these projects... :thumbsup
great job Zenkai.
thanks for all the hard work and research on these projects... :thumbsup
Well, the last little detail that Darth Lars pointed out was starting to bother me. So, I changed the construction of my CAD to accurately reflect how the original was constructed, and now they're identical even in that respect:
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The benefit of doing it this way ... dual caps.
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That's it and that's all. I don't think there are any stones left unturned here, are there?
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The benefit of doing it this way ... dual caps.
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That's it and that's all. I don't think there are any stones left unturned here, are there?
nwjedidave
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WOW Zen . I always liked this saber, but with you and every else's hard work I WANT one of these now ..
excellent job to everyone involved .
excellent job to everyone involved .
neosporing
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 25 2006, 10:06 AM) [snapback]1344581[/snapback]</div>
will a cap be available for just a 1/2 inch rod (liket the stunt maul?) It would be nice if we could get both. I would love to have a dueling stunt obi to match the stunt maul. I know these pics are of your 'high end' perfect obi... ever going to do an obi stunt?
will a cap be available for just a 1/2 inch rod (liket the stunt maul?) It would be nice if we could get both. I would love to have a dueling stunt obi to match the stunt maul. I know these pics are of your 'high end' perfect obi... ever going to do an obi stunt?
Darth Lars
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<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 24 2006, 01:16 AM) [snapback]1343585[/snapback]</div>
I'm not denying. I was just questioning. I am in "academic mode" for writing my thesis, so some of that attitude spilled over here, I guess. :$
You have done a great job. The one I made is not at all as accurate as this one.
Here's looking forward to seeing it in metal. :thumbsup
That's fine with me.
I'm not denying. I was just questioning. I am in "academic mode" for writing my thesis, so some of that attitude spilled over here, I guess. :$ You have done a great job. The one I made is not at all as accurate as this one.
Here's looking forward to seeing it in metal. :thumbsup
<div class='quotetop'>(Darth Lars @ Oct 26 2006, 04:11 PM) [snapback]1345298[/snapback]</div>
Here's hopin' the metal version looks good too.
Hey, thanks for the kind words, DL. Your intellectual provocations served as the motivation for that last little revision with the caps, so I should thank you for your "thesis attitude."
Here's hopin' the metal version looks good too.
The cap is slightly different to how you have it, actually. The darker coloured plate (which was made of steel on the original I believe) sits inside the lip of the emitter, something like this:
Also, on the 3 thin bars on the top half of the emiter sleeve, where are you seeing the chamfer on the original?
Also, on the 3 thin bars on the top half of the emiter sleeve, where are you seeing the chamfer on the original?
<div class='quotetop'>(Hez @ Oct 27 2006, 03:56 AM) [snapback]1345747[/snapback]</div>
You're mostly right on how you've done the cap. However, the smaller circle isn't a groove like you have it, but rather another press-fit piece, like how your outer groove is. Mine will have the inner circle only. It wasn't possible to construct the 1" blade hole, AND have the rear of the emitter constructed as original, AND have dual caps, AND have a three-part cap. The last one had to go.
As to the emitter shroud: there is no chamfer on the original. I added that 0.02" chamfer as my single "style" point. That tiny detail adds a fair bit of beauty, IMHO.
You're mostly right on how you've done the cap. However, the smaller circle isn't a groove like you have it, but rather another press-fit piece, like how your outer groove is. Mine will have the inner circle only. It wasn't possible to construct the 1" blade hole, AND have the rear of the emitter constructed as original, AND have dual caps, AND have a three-part cap. The last one had to go.
As to the emitter shroud: there is no chamfer on the original. I added that 0.02" chamfer as my single "style" point. That tiny detail adds a fair bit of beauty, IMHO.
lonepigeon
Master Member
Why not recess the 1" blade hole and then make a large press fit steel cap with a 3/8" groove in the center (to simulate the center rod as Hez did)?
The steel disc/cap would fit in the recess and plug the 1" blade hole nicely and look accurate.
BTW - The original steel parts didn't really press fit tightly, they're glued in. There's a fair size gap between the steel rod and washer.
The steel disc/cap would fit in the recess and plug the 1" blade hole nicely and look accurate.
BTW - The original steel parts didn't really press fit tightly, they're glued in. There's a fair size gap between the steel rod and washer.
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You could certainly do it with grooves, but I feel like a flat face is more accurate than a grooved face, since there wasn't a groove to begin with. Since they are removable, they could be modded in the future. But my saber will be as pictured.
Right, but a press-fit cap wouldn't be removable.
You could certainly do it with grooves, but I feel like a flat face is more accurate than a grooved face, since there wasn't a groove to begin with. Since they are removable, they could be modded in the future. But my saber will be as pictured.
I did actually know that the second smaller circle was a separate press fit piece, but for me, it was simply one more piece which could be knocked about, and the last thing anyone would want would be for that one piece to be knocked inwards and have to dismantle the whole thing to put it back. So I thought a groove was just fine, and at worst it idealises the original prop only slightly.
I would urge you not to compromise on accuracy just to have the dual caps. You've gone to all this effort, and what if no one comes up with a blade system to go inside it? If you must have the dual caps, I'm sure there's a way of making a totally accurate emitter to go with it. I'd need to see a parts diagram of how you intend it to be machined, but I'd offer any help I could to make that happen. Price may increase slightly, but this is not going to be cheap anyway. My replicas cost around $300 at the machine shop, and that was for 15 of them.
I would urge you not to compromise on accuracy just to have the dual caps. You've gone to all this effort, and what if no one comes up with a blade system to go inside it? If you must have the dual caps, I'm sure there's a way of making a totally accurate emitter to go with it. I'd need to see a parts diagram of how you intend it to be machined, but I'd offer any help I could to make that happen. Price may increase slightly, but this is not going to be cheap anyway. My replicas cost around $300 at the machine shop, and that was for 15 of them.
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