Is this the PERFECT Obi-Wan EP1 saber?
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Crimsonnaire
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Right now, I find the section outlined by blue lines to be the most elusive detail.
Starkiller, is this side slightly rounded or completely straight?
Starkiller, is this side slightly rounded or completely straight?
Darth Lars
Master Member
I agree with Starkiller about the distances below the cubes. If I was making the CAD model I would make the distances above and below the cubes the same, and then round off the lower edge.
Imperious825: If that line is rounded on the cast, could that be an artifact of the resin casting/shrinkage? :confused
Imperious825: If that line is rounded on the cast, could that be an artifact of the resin casting/shrinkage? :confused
<div class='quotetop'>(Darth Lars @ Oct 22 2006, 12:22 PM) [snapback]1342664[/snapback]</div>
I also tend to agree about the pommel now. It's been revised, and I'll post pics later when I make a couple of other changes.
The roundness on the pommel is not an artifact of the shrinkage; look at how sharp the grip grooves are, and compare that to the roundness of the pommel. It must have been in the original.
I also tend to agree about the pommel now. It's been revised, and I'll post pics later when I make a couple of other changes.
The roundness on the pommel is not an artifact of the shrinkage; look at how sharp the grip grooves are, and compare that to the roundness of the pommel. It must have been in the original.
Revisions, revisions ...
* Changed shape of emitter grooves:
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* Changed construction: now features "the gap":
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* And, of course, tweaked the pommel:
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Here's the saber in totem:
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Are we there yet? Is it done?
* Changed shape of emitter grooves:
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* Changed construction: now features "the gap":
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* And, of course, tweaked the pommel:
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Here's the saber in totem:
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Are we there yet? Is it done?
Wow, now that looks awesome.
Definitely the most accurate rendition I have ever seen. :eek
Now make it come to life and sell me one
Dan
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Definitely the most accurate rendition I have ever seen. :eek
Now make it come to life and sell me one
Dan
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Darth Lars
Master Member
Is the "collar" really slanted on the bottom? There should be a slight narrowing below the collar, like there is above.
How does the emitter plate look from below? Have you got the details from Anakin Starkiller's pic previously?
How does the emitter plate look from below? Have you got the details from Anakin Starkiller's pic previously?
<div class='quotetop'>(Darth Lars @ Oct 22 2006, 06:47 PM) [snapback]1342824[/snapback]</div>
Yes, the collar does have a chamfered edge on the side closer to the grips.
The emitter plate is flat with a 7/8" hole, at the moment. If I produce one, it will likely remain this way.
Not sure which of Starkiller's pics you're referring to, but I believe I've got all the details in there.
Yes, the collar does have a chamfered edge on the side closer to the grips.
The emitter plate is flat with a 7/8" hole, at the moment. If I produce one, it will likely remain this way.
Not sure which of Starkiller's pics you're referring to, but I believe I've got all the details in there.
<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 22 2006, 06:50 PM) [snapback]1342825[/snapback]</div>
Yes, the collar does have a chamfered edge on the side closer to the grips.
The emitter plate is flat with a 7/8" hole, at the moment. If I produce one, it will likely remain this way.
Not sure which of Starkiller's pics you're referring to, but I believe I've got all the details in there.
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Everything looks good to me. I can't really help with emmiter details since my saber has no detail there (this is a characteristic of the fighting stunts).
Dan
Yes, the collar does have a chamfered edge on the side closer to the grips.
The emitter plate is flat with a 7/8" hole, at the moment. If I produce one, it will likely remain this way.
Not sure which of Starkiller's pics you're referring to, but I believe I've got all the details in there.
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Everything looks good to me. I can't really help with emmiter details since my saber has no detail there (this is a characteristic of the fighting stunts).
Dan
<div class='quotetop'>(Anakin Starkiller @ Oct 22 2006, 06:56 PM) [snapback]1342827[/snapback]</div>
Well, the hero prop was flat on top. The saber was built around a 1/2" rod, which can be seen on the hero. The MR Elite just inscribed a circle on top to simulate the feature. I'm trying to make mine as hollow as possible in the event that some genius down the line can make electronics for it. Accordingly, I'm putting the emitter hole on there in hopes a 7/8" blade could one day be fitted. That was the largest emitter hole that would fit, given the way the parts fit together. I could probably get a 1" hole to work with a bit more effort.
-Nick
Well, the hero prop was flat on top. The saber was built around a 1/2" rod, which can be seen on the hero. The MR Elite just inscribed a circle on top to simulate the feature. I'm trying to make mine as hollow as possible in the event that some genius down the line can make electronics for it. Accordingly, I'm putting the emitter hole on there in hopes a 7/8" blade could one day be fitted. That was the largest emitter hole that would fit, given the way the parts fit together. I could probably get a 1" hole to work with a bit more effort.
-Nick
Made a couple micro-tweaks to get everything to line up better in the comparison shots.
Here's a picture of the emitter end, for those interested.
The blade hole is now 1", and there's quite a bit of space in there. This saber might even accept a Luxeon LED system :love
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Here's a picture of the emitter end, for those interested.
The blade hole is now 1", and there's quite a bit of space in there. This saber might even accept a Luxeon LED system :love
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While, it's not on the let's split hairs accuracy scale but Erv of www.plecterlabs.com made an absolutly righteous Luxeon version of the saber.
Nick,
Did you have to change any of the outer dimensions to get a 1 in hole in the saber?
Dan
Did you have to change any of the outer dimensions to get a 1 in hole in the saber?
Dan
<div class='quotetop'>(Anakin Starkiller @ Oct 23 2006, 03:21 AM) [snapback]1343106[/snapback]</div>
Now, why would I spend all this time on accuracy if I was just gonna screw it up to accomodate a little hole?
No, I didn't change any outer dimensions. The accuracy level is 100% the same.
EDIT: Just in case there was any doubt, here's a VD comparison now, including the 1" blade hole, all final micro-tweaks, etc. Look how well the main grips and foregrips line up now. Also, the shape of the main grip cutout was tweaked again. Pretty much everything lines up now. If the diameters look strange, it's because the CAD tends to get dicey about the black outlines when zoomed out this far. The diameters are good, trust me
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Now, why would I spend all this time on accuracy if I was just gonna screw it up to accomodate a little hole?
No, I didn't change any outer dimensions. The accuracy level is 100% the same.
EDIT: Just in case there was any doubt, here's a VD comparison now, including the 1" blade hole, all final micro-tweaks, etc. Look how well the main grips and foregrips line up now. Also, the shape of the main grip cutout was tweaked again. Pretty much everything lines up now. If the diameters look strange, it's because the CAD tends to get dicey about the black outlines when zoomed out this far. The diameters are good, trust me
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<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 23 2006, 05:08 AM) [snapback]1343171[/snapback]</div>
Now, why would I spend all this time on accuracy if I was just gonna screw it up to accomodate a little hole?
No, I didn't change any outer dimensions. The accuracy level is 100% the same.
EDIT: Just in case there was any doubt, here's a VD comparison now, including the 1" blade hole, all final micro-tweaks, etc. Look how well the main grips and foregrips line up now. Also, the shape of the main grip cutout was tweaked again. Pretty much everything lines up now. If the diameters look strange, it's because the CAD tends to get dicey about the black outlines when zoomed out this far. The diameters are good, trust me
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Ok, I guess my question was kinda dumb :$
That comparison looks awesome. It makes me want to cry it is so beautiful (Ok I'm exagerating a bit).
This has been a long time coming, and I can't wait until I see this saber in the flesh (I hope that didn't sound to creepy).
:lol
Dan
Now, why would I spend all this time on accuracy if I was just gonna screw it up to accomodate a little hole?
No, I didn't change any outer dimensions. The accuracy level is 100% the same.
EDIT: Just in case there was any doubt, here's a VD comparison now, including the 1" blade hole, all final micro-tweaks, etc. Look how well the main grips and foregrips line up now. Also, the shape of the main grip cutout was tweaked again. Pretty much everything lines up now. If the diameters look strange, it's because the CAD tends to get dicey about the black outlines when zoomed out this far. The diameters are good, trust me
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Ok, I guess my question was kinda dumb :$
That comparison looks awesome. It makes me want to cry it is so beautiful (Ok I'm exagerating a bit).
This has been a long time coming, and I can't wait until I see this saber in the flesh (I hope that didn't sound to creepy).
:lol
Dan
<div class='quotetop'>(Anakin Starkiller @ Oct 23 2006, 07:24 AM) [snapback]1343210[/snapback]</div>
No no, not creepy at all. We are, after all, on a forum dedicated to Star Wars props. A little obsessive fandom is to be expected. Thanks for the kind words. I'd like to see this thing come alive too.
No no, not creepy at all. We are, after all, on a forum dedicated to Star Wars props. A little obsessive fandom is to be expected. Thanks for the kind words. I'd like to see this thing come alive too.
Darth Lars
Master Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 22 2006, 08:50 PM) [snapback]1342825[/snapback]</div>
Anyway, there is another detail that you have missed. Below the edge, the sleeve is narrower, as if metal had to be ground away to fit the collar onto it, just like metal had to be ground away from the neck above it.
This detail can be see in most reference pics of the Hero, but not very much in the pics of Anakin Starkiller's resin stunt.
<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 22 2006, 08:50 PM) [snapback]1342825[/snapback]</div>
I'm referring to the underside of the emitter plate, as seen from inside the emitter grooves:
Here is the pic I am referring to. You can see that there is some room inside the chamfered "keyhole plate".
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Just to make sure: Are you sure about all the main dimensions? Have to got them from a reliable source?
I am a little bit curious about the length of the thick section that the covertec button is attached to. That one in particular is longer on the TPM Hero than on the MR AOTC.
It would be interesting to discuss how you would build the saber, also.
You could easily fit 3 rechargable AA batteries in the inner silver tube and pommel. 3×1.2 = 3.6V which would run a Luxeon K2 well. The LED with lens and holder would fit but the prewired PCBs are too large.
Edit: Why does the pic not show? It shows in preview but not in the thread... Do I have to put it in "quote" tags?
How do you know the edge is chamfered?
Anyway, there is another detail that you have missed. Below the edge, the sleeve is narrower, as if metal had to be ground away to fit the collar onto it, just like metal had to be ground away from the neck above it.
This detail can be see in most reference pics of the Hero, but not very much in the pics of Anakin Starkiller's resin stunt.
<div class='quotetop'>(Zenkai @ Oct 22 2006, 08:50 PM) [snapback]1342825[/snapback]</div>
Cool that you are making this one fit a blade.
I'm referring to the underside of the emitter plate, as seen from inside the emitter grooves:
Here is the pic I am referring to. You can see that there is some room inside the chamfered "keyhole plate".
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Just to make sure: Are you sure about all the main dimensions? Have to got them from a reliable source?
I am a little bit curious about the length of the thick section that the covertec button is attached to. That one in particular is longer on the TPM Hero than on the MR AOTC.
It would be interesting to discuss how you would build the saber, also.
You could easily fit 3 rechargable AA batteries in the inner silver tube and pommel. 3×1.2 = 3.6V which would run a Luxeon K2 well. The LED with lens and holder would fit but the prewired PCBs are too large.
Edit: Why does the pic not show? It shows in preview but not in the thread... Do I have to put it in "quote" tags?
<div class='quotetop'>(Darth Lars @ Oct 23 2006, 02:39 PM) [snapback]1343343[/snapback]</div>
It's quite obvious from the reference pictures. If you don't trust me, ask anyone who is more familiar with the saber.
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I see what you're pointing out, but there's no good way to replicate this without constructing the saber differently. As is, it's one solid part. Without making the sleeve separate from the collar, that detail will get washed out, and I'd rather it just look nice and flush.
The above-collar groove was possible because it's a groove rather than a chamfer (as the below-collar groove appears to be).
Making the saber into three parts there would also cause accuracy problems: the only way to join them would be a press-fit, threads, or a screw. The first two would make it impossible to nail the precise location of where the join occurrs (because with either threads or a press-fit, there will be a couple hundredths of an inch variation in where they finally meet), and the screw would just be unsightly and inaccurate.
EDIT: I'm going to take another look at this when I get home. I think I can still add this detail without making separate pieces. I might leave it off as a matter of style anyway.
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Is this what you want to see?
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Take a look at the higher-res comparison pic I posted earlier. Some dims have been tweaked a tiny bit, but I think they still speak for themselves.
It's quite obvious from the reference pictures. If you don't trust me, ask anyone who is more familiar with the saber.
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I see what you're pointing out, but there's no good way to replicate this without constructing the saber differently. As is, it's one solid part. Without making the sleeve separate from the collar, that detail will get washed out, and I'd rather it just look nice and flush.
The above-collar groove was possible because it's a groove rather than a chamfer (as the below-collar groove appears to be).
Making the saber into three parts there would also cause accuracy problems: the only way to join them would be a press-fit, threads, or a screw. The first two would make it impossible to nail the precise location of where the join occurrs (because with either threads or a press-fit, there will be a couple hundredths of an inch variation in where they finally meet), and the screw would just be unsightly and inaccurate.
EDIT: I'm going to take another look at this when I get home. I think I can still add this detail without making separate pieces. I might leave it off as a matter of style anyway.
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Is this what you want to see?
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Take a look at the higher-res comparison pic I posted earlier. Some dims have been tweaked a tiny bit, but I think they still speak for themselves.
So, I did add the detail Darth Lars mentioned, but upon further scrutiny of my reference material, decided that it actually isn't there, so I took the detail back off. Dan, can you confirm this? It just looks like the lower edge of the collar meets flush with the saber.
Darth Lars, perhaps any "groove" that you see on the hero prop is just the result of sanding (and thus it's more shiny, but not any different in diameter).
Darth Lars, perhaps any "groove" that you see on the hero prop is just the result of sanding (and thus it's more shiny, but not any different in diameter).
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