Accident on the set of Rust.

[TazMan2000]

gregory

No matter what we discuss here, it will have absolutely no effect on what happens in that case. So basically, our discussion is an act of futility. The only hope is that this discussion will somehow educate others a tiny bit about gun safety.

All we did here is vent. Some members more than others.

TazMan2000

 

[gregory]

I could totally see someone (insurance?) making that rule. For example, say you have a revolver that the armorer has put 5 rounds in, with the hammer over the empty chamber. If the Actor was to open and inspect the weapon, there's no guarantee they will put it back in the same alignment, thereby reducing the safety of the situation.

Jeffery Wright's anecdote about being shown it was empty by the person handing it to him, is the best of both worlds.

I can see your concern. In fact the first time I handled SAA revolvers I was a more than a little uneasy myself. This is all the more reason to treat firearms with the proper respect and not handle firearms without the proper training. Hiring inexperienced armourers to save a few dollars puts everyone at risk.
As for the practice I do both. I show the person I’m handing off to it’s safe, then have them prove it’s safe back to me. Those few seconds of redundancy are well worth the effort.

 

[Riceball]

You're viewing the events from an gun expert's point of view, I'm viewing it from a court/judge's point of view. Do you think that the jury will be packed with 12 gun experts? Some people don't even know how to classify screw drivers, much less know what a real firearm is. Give me the one with the "X" or the "square" one.

Take a step back and view things from a general point of view, and not a range safety officer. I have no doubt, that you know how to identify a real weapon from a prop/fake. Do you think everyone does?

You're driver/passenger analogy points out mitigating circumstances. That is what the court will hear in this case.

TazMan2000

To which I'm sure that the prosecution will bring in expert witnesses that will go over not only basic and universally recognized (at least in the US) friearms safety rules, but also on the same rules and protocols as they apply to a movie set. And no matter how you skin the cat, at the end of the day, Alec Baldwin bares a certain amount of responsibility, if not as a producer then at least as an actor and not following proper saftey rules and procedures.

 

[TazMan2000]

To which I'm sure that the prosecution will bring in expert witnesses that will go over not only basic and universally recognized (at least in the US) friearms safety rules, but also on the same rules and protocols as they apply to a movie set. And no matter how you skin the cat, at the end of the day, Alec Baldwin bares a certain amount of responsibility, if not as a producer then at least as an actor and not following proper saftey rules and procedures.

No argument there.

He's also in for a lot of mental anguish depending on whether he has an ounce of remorse in him. He will also be judged on his demeanor for a long time. Regardless of whether he is found directly responsible or not, he did, in fact, kill Hutchins.

TazMan2000

 

[ghostryder]

Surprises me how many Gun “experts “ here who have absolutely no clue as to what they are talking about!

Hah, true. Also surprises me how many production "experts" here have absolutely no clue as to what they are talking about. This thread is turning into a master class on Dunning-Kruger

 

[Psab keel]

This entire thread has been speculation at best. Honestly the details of this incident are still being gleaned and it's under investigation by authorities, so I think it's best to let them do their job. None of us are in a position to do a thing about it other than muse over what happened. Speculation over a movie plot or production is one thing, but this is something else entirely.

Plus it's really too early to form a strong opinion without all the facts and believe me with all the coverage this story is getting, I'm sure there's going to be lots of details that haven't been revealed yet. I think it goes without saying that early reporting is most often about being first, and not as concerned with being factual.

Ultimately this whole situation is unfortunate. I just feel bad for Hutchins and her family. What a terrible thing to happen.

 

[ghostryder]

fwiw:

'Rust' Assistant Director Admits Gun Safety Lapses Before Fatal Shooting

The head armorer on the set of "Rust" told authorities she took all the necessary steps to secure the gun that killed the cinematographer, but the assistant director confessed the gun was not thoroughly checked before the incident.

www.tmz.com

 

[JoeG]

The Santa Fe Sheriff just held a press conference. They confirmed certain details about the incident and some of the evidence they collected. Both the sheriff and the DA said the investigation is still ongoing and too early to tell if there will be criminal charges pursued.

 

[gregory]

No argument there.

He's also in for a lot of mental anguish depending on whether he has an ounce of remorse in him. He will also be judged on his demeanor for a long time. Regardless of whether he is found directly responsible or not, he did, in fact, kill Hutchins.

TazMan2000

If he is actually remorseful I truly feel bad for him, that is a very heavy burden to carry. Personally I have seen a sociopath go to damage control mode without skipping a beat. To that type of person the only tragedy is one that negatively affects them. I choose to give Alec Baldwin the benefit of the doubt, regardless of his history.

 

[dascoyne]

I can't imagine a circumstance where someone is shot and killed and criminal charges would not be pursued outside of a self-defense shooting. Based on the apparent facts of the case I can't see how this is not involuntary manslaughter.

 

[ghostryder]

Thanksgiving's sure gonna be fun at the Baldwin's this year:

 

[TazMan2000]

Thanksgiving's sure gonna be fun at the Baldwin's this year:

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I feel bad at having to laugh at your comment, but obviously his family is not standing beside him. I wonder what Alec will say when asked what he is thankful for?

TazMan2000

 

[Darth Lars]

Thanksgiving's sure gonna be fun at the Baldwin's this year:

Adam Baldwin is not related to Alec Baldwin ...

 

[Riceball]

Adam Baldwin is not related to Alec Baldwin ...

Yup. While his (Adam's) last name is Baldwin, he's not one of the Baldwin brothers. I don't even think he's a Baldwin Baldwin.

 

[gobler]

Quote from FOX affiliate
"The firearm that Alec Baldwin was holding when an accidental discharge resulted in the death of Halyna Hutchins was an F Lee Pietta long colt 45 revolver."
The Sheriff confirmed that a lead round was recovered from the medical team that treated the Director indicating that a live, real cartridge was in the revolver.

 

[gobler]

Yup. While his (Adam's) last name is Baldwin, he's not one of the Baldwin brothers. I don't even think he's a Baldwin Baldwin.

Adam jokingly says he's five times removed cousins on the better side of the family..

 

[TazMan2000]

MSN

I guess that answers my question.

TazMan2000

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

A lot of the reason that Baldwin isn't getting much sympathy-

In response to a justified police shooting in Chicago...

Then responding to another person after Dick Cheney's hunting accident-

Sympathy in this incident should be for the victims & their families, & I'll stand by that regardless of who all is found at fault.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Double post

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Yup. While his (Adam's) last name is Baldwin, he's not one of the Baldwin brothers. I don't even think he's a Baldwin Baldwin.

Are you sure that you are sure? There are, by my last accounting, “a true plethora” of Baldwin brothers…a dozen or more? One for every state in the Union, perhaps?

Are you certain that Adam is not one of them?

For that matter, is Adam certain that he is not one of them??