Accident on the set of Rust.

[Pumpkinhead]

I wasn't aware I needed your permission to do anything. Thanks for letting me know my options.

Some of you... I didn't deny or permit you to do anything. You are free to express your opinions. However, some of you haven't reached maturity.
People calling for admins/mods to shut down reply replies to the thread. Can't hang, stay out of the thread. "Mom! The kids keep posting their opinions and I don't like it. Stop them from replying."

Dude, he is the King of the internet! None stand against his mastery of logic and reason!
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Me? Just a member. Say what you want... Just don't plead to the mods/admins because people keep posting, saying things you don't want to read. Don't like it too bad, so sad. You are free to stay, leave, but please stop crying.

That's Officer Pumpkinhead of The Internet Police. He's just doing his job.

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It's a free service that I provide. Enjoy. Did I read that someone regrets not blocking someone. Is that a cry for attention... Back on topic. The individual who pulled the trigger is guilty, he caused a death, due to his disrespect of weapons (which is linked to his higher than though, anti-2nd amendment feelings/stance. You don't have to like weapons, but if you don't respect them, and know what you are doing, then you will kill someone which is exactly what happened and why it happened.

Responding to self important hubris and trolling only makes it continue and gives them exactly what they want, attention.

Ah, yes, but WHO is doing the trolling??? Look at me, I'm going to post about blocking someone. Mods, please stop the thread. I can't take it.

 

[JPH]

You seem soft. If his points and the way he presents them are too much for you there are two choices for you, leave the thread, or put him on your ignore list. No need to make an announcement about it. Just do one or the other.

They have to announce it, that's how projection works, blame the other side of their guilt. For them, negative attention is better than no attention.

Just look at 'em go!

But don't worry. Everything I wanted to occur in this thread was accomplished. I came in at page 9 and the trolls were endlessly repeating the "actors dont have to know gun safety," and the "Alec, I'm defending you!" groveling.

This thread actually *advanced*

How many announced they were leaving only to return?

How many claimed they were hitting "ignore" but promptly responded?

Geee, actors *do* need to know gun safety

Like wiping my a** with silk.

Everyone who was tired of the trolls repetitious banter, everyone who wanted this thread to move forward WON!

Better than The Last Jedi thread. Imagine 200 pages of the trolls repetitive echochamber!!!

Good times.

Oh, and dont worry about the sensitive ones anymore, Im *sure* (sarcasm) they put us on ignore.

 

[dascoyne]

This happened on a movie set, not a firing range, not a party in Florida.
Actors on movie sets regularly point guns at each other. They literally play with guns. Remember the still someone posted a while back from The Deer Hunter? Every single rule of gun safety is being broken in that single image. And that happens every day on movie sets around the world. It's why there are paid professionals on movie sets to make sure everyone is safe.
You guys are trying to apply personal gun ownership rules to a situation in which those rules are regularly broken.
You're all absolutely correct as far as personal gun ownership applies.
I don't see how those same rules apply on a movie set in a situation where those rules are consistently broken. A situation in which someone is paid specifically NOT to put live ammunition in a prop firearm.

Correct. We are applying rules of gun handling to movie sets. I really didn't think that movie production was an exception.

So the central point of contention is folks who believe that rules of safe gun handling are universal versus those who say the rules don't apply on movie sets? That is a revelation.

As someone on the former part of the debate (with no experience on a movie set) I have some questions. When a scene calls for someone to point a gun at someone else, don't they try, as often as possible, to either use inert gun props or blank-only firing guns or "cheat" the shot with the editing or perspective just so someone isn't actually pointing directly at the other person?

I had the impression, whenever there are even blanks, there are greater layers of precaution applied. The Deer Hunter scene was not done with a real handgun, was it? I would think that the scene required even extra attention to safety and delicacy because of what it required the actors to do. I pretty sure the AD didn't just hand the gun to DeNiro and yell "cold gun", did they?

And aren't actors required to learn the basic rules of gun safety before handling even blank firing props? If the rules don't apply to films then why do they need to learn those rules?

Dust is filmed using a real firearm. I admit that, as a gun owner, I do have trouble wrapping my head around the notion that film production is an exception to rules of gun handling - especially in the case of a set using a real gun. But please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.

 

[JoeG]

I think a more accurate statement would be that they have their own set of rules that they use. Not that the rules don't apply to them. Usually their rules would seem to work just fine. When they're followed. As the info from the search warrants and affidavits show, the rules were not followed in this instance. Complacency and a breakdown in protocol are what led to this.

The point where this thread keeps breaking down is some people's insistence that all the blame lay with one individual rather than taking the totality of the situation into consideration. Which the actual investigators surely will. The rest is all posturing and schoolyard silliness.

 

[TazMan2000]

I think a more accurate statement would be that they have their own set of rules that they use. Not that the rules don't apply to them. Usually their rules would seem to work just fine. When they're followed. As the info from the search warrants and affidavits show, the rules were not followed in this instance. Complacency and a breakdown in protocol are what led to this.

The point where this thread keeps breaking down is some people's insistence that all the blame lay with one individual rather than taking the totality of the situation into consideration. Which the actual investigators surely will. The rest is all posturing and schoolyard silliness.

Bravo. Very well put.

TazMan2000