Accident on the set of Rust.
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Absolutely!
I can't remember if I said it here or elsewhere (seems to be popular topic right now), but for someone to get shot on set or stage, more than one person had to screw up. One alone wouldn't be enough. Someone would have to load it. Someone would have to hand off a gun they KNEW was going to get fired, without bothering to check it before handing it off. Someone had to decide that safety checks were just not their job. Someone choreographed a fire fight without teaching everyone not to aim a gun at people, even if its only blanks. If even only what we've heard so far is true, then a minimum of 3-5 people, maybe more, decided that they were too busy for even the minimum of weapon safety.
TazMan2000
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It wasn't my "child example", it was actually Axlotl 's. I just commented on it, but yes, mine was the "gun store".
I can't dispute the rules of weapons on filming sets, since I have never spoken directly to an "film and tv armourer". But I do find it hard to believe that most actors know how to handle weapons, or are qualified to deem them safe. They're actors after all.
A lot of people are convinced that because Baldwin was the last to handle the weapon, that he will be criminally charged. I don't think that will happen. His anti-gun stance has obviously made him unpopular here and I think people are reacting to that rather than the events of that day.
Professionals have commented that there was a lot of stuff that went wrong beforehand, and those are mitigating factors that you can't pin everything that went wrong on him. But that's just my opinion. The problems in Hollywood are obviously systemic and an in-depth review will be carried out.
TazMan2000
I honestly can't speak to that. You may be right. But if anything, that's why I'm being as vocal as I am (normally I try to shy away from this stuff, here or anywhere else, I dislike discussing political issues online these days, and like it or not, this one has politics attached to it).
But I'd really like it if this made people stop being stupid. I haven't done props in over a decade (well over), but I would never have let an actor or set tech within 10 feet of a weapon without at least basic safety lessons and drilling in protocol. That fact that some treat it lightly makes my butt clench.
TazMan2000
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Despite some members trying to bring politics into this discussion, I'm happy that a lot of members seem responsible with how to handle weapons and hopefully how to store them properly. I'm also happy that most of us can express different opinions on some tense subjects without it becoming a flame fest. As I mentioned before, maybe some good will come out of this tragedy.
TazMan2000
Ask yourself if there is any circumstance not involving defense of life or home, where you picked up a gun, pulled the tigger, and killed someone, in which you would not be held responsible?
Is there some special law that excludes actors in make believe movies from the consequences of this intentional act? He picked up a gun, pointed it at someone and pulled the trigger.
Is there some special law that excludes actors in make believe movies from the consequences of this intentional act? He picked up a gun, pointed it at someone and pulled the trigger.
Pumpkinhead
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Why is there a "need" to handle baldwin softly, go easy on him. I stand by my post. It's accurate. It's true. I won't repeat it. You can ignore it, and/or me at your leisure.
From what I read, her father is a well known armorer and she had little to zero experience. She is 24yo and will bouce back hopefully in another career. My question was if she was a replacement for the armorer who walked off the set earlier due to poor working conditions.
The 24-year-old head armorer of Alec Baldwin's movie 'Rust' told a podcast she almost didn't take her last job because she wasn't sure if she was ready
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24, told a podcast she almost turned down the head-armorer job in a recent project because of self-doubt about her experience.www.insider.com
'Rust' assistant director had a history of unsafe practices, prop maker says
"Sets were almost always allowed to become increasingly claustrophobic, no established fire lanes, exits blocked," prop maker Maggie Goll said.
www.nbcnews.com
You're also guilty of a crime if you punch a guy in the face.
Unless you're an actor on a movie set. And you were both following instructions from the fight choreographer, who was telling you to stand dangerously close to each other and do the swing. Then it's not quite as simple, is it?
If we could interview the dead & injured people in this accident, they would probably say they consented to AB pointing a gun in their general direction and pulling the trigger. The only part they didn't consent to, was the accidental element of the gun being loaded.
If you asked the dead & injured people to name who they were trusting to keep the gun unloaded . . . they would probably have named the on-set armorer or the producers. They were probably never intending to rely on AB's judgment in that regard. No movie set should ever be trusting individual actors as the first line of defense against gun accidents. Actors should only be the last line.
AB failed. So did many others ahead of him. There were reportedly 3 other accidental discharges on the set that day before the fatal accident.
Who is going easy on AB?
We are declining to convict him of the entire thing based on a few early press reports. That's a responsible attitude IMO.
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And nobody is “going easy on AB”, we are just logically looking at the chain of events that lead up to an actor getting the item in his or her hand on set. Multiple people dropped the ball, and it shouldn’t be pinned on him, especially because you don’t like his political standing. Based upon your statements, especially the terms you used to pick on his political views, it is clear you are holding him accountable just based upon your political views. That was wrong. Wrong in terms of bringing it up and violating the forum rules, and wrong to pass judgement just based upon someone else’s views. That is the problem in the world today, if anyone has opposing views to someone politically, it’s ball to the walls hate and condemnation of that person. Do I like AB as a person, definitely not. He is an arrogant person and not someone I would idolize. But, I can logically look at a situation and put my personal feelings about him aside and evaluate what happened.
ghostryder
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It just gets worse and worse:
news.yahoo.com
Inquiry into Baldwin shooting focuses on custody of gun
The police investigation into a fatal shooting with a prop gun fired by actor Alec Baldwin on a film set was focusing Saturday on the specialist in charge of the weapon and the assistant director who handed it to Baldwin.
The weapons master from set, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, is going to have a lot of explaining to do, I imagine.
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Gun in Alec Baldwin Accident Was Also Used Off-Set, Recreationally
The gun was supposedly being used for target practice, with real bullets.
www.tmz.com
Axlotl
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I suspected a bullet when I read yesterday that it went through the cinematographer's shoulder to wound the director. I just couldn't justify a real bullet being on set.
Someone's going to prison for criminal negligence.
This story has gone from sad to infuriatingly stupid.
Someone's going to prison for criminal negligence.
This story has gone from sad to infuriatingly stupid.
It is simple. If the guy throwing the punch intentionally doesn't hold back, intentionally doesn't miss, and knocks the other guy out, injures him, etc. then he would have issues if the "victim" wanted to pursue it.
The "he told me it was safe to point a real gun at her and pull the trigger so I did" defense is BS.
From what I am reading, he may not have fired it. They had two misfires earlier in the week. When they label it as a misfire, it could be that the gun was faulty and malfunctioning. They state he was practicing his quick draw, using a gun that he was told was a “cold gun”, so when he drew it, there is the possibility that it fired and he wasn’t aiming. He may have been in the process of drawing and due to a previous known malfunction, the gun went off, and the line of the bullet unfortunately shewed it their direction. All these speculations that he intentionally pointed it directly at them is ludicrous. How about we stop condemning people until we hear all the facts?
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