Accident on the set of Rust.

[JPH]

If a stunt coordinator told an actor “you’re going to push the stunt man off this cliff, I’ve checked his harness and he’s good to go”, and then that harness fails leading to the stuntman’s death, is the actor a murderer?

If the actor pushing, who has also undergone weeks of training, IGNORES his training, doesnt inspect what he has been told as the FIRST THING, HIGHEST PRIORITY from his multiple training sessions, and pushes anyway...

then the pusher is guilty as Hell.

Look, there isnt even a Nice Try Award for challenging this, Baldwin IGNORED the basics..

Ha! Just because someone chooses not to argue does not make you the winner. You’re just not worth the time. Cheers!

And yet you keep going.

I'll take the win...AGAIN!

I told you you didnt have an adequate reason.

 

[Moviefreak]

If a stunt coordinator told an actor “you’re going to push the stunt man off this cliff, I’ve checked his harness and he’s good to go”, and then that harness fails leading to the stuntman’s death, is the actor a murderer?

That is a good question. In that case I think people would just be calling it AB accident on the set. But since it involves a fire arm, and an actor that many seem to have issues with for political or personal reasons, the judgement seems to be harsher. I still wonder if this was a more beloved actor that people adore, if their lynch mob mentality would be a little more different.

 

[harrisonp]

I think there’s obviously a case for negligence as a producer etc for the general state of the set if these reports are to be believed, but it was still an accident. To call the actor a murderer is a bit beyond reasonable in my opinion.

 

[Moviefreak]

I think there’s obviously a case for negligence as a producer etc for the general state of the set if these reports are to be believed, but it was still an accident. To call the actor a murderer is a bit beyond reasonable in my opinion.

I agree. That’s what I’m saying. There was a line of negligence all way up to the actor, and yes he was negligent as well. But they ALL were negligent and they all share blame. Not just the actor.

 

[batguy]

If a stunt coordinator told an actor “you’re going to push the stunt man off this cliff, I’ve checked his harness and he’s good to go”, and then that harness fails leading to the stuntman’s death, is the actor a murderer?

That is a good question. In that case I think people would just be calling it AB accident on the set. But since it involves a fire arm, and an actor that many seem to have issues with for political or personal reasons, the judgement seems to be harsher. I still wonder if this was a more beloved actor that people adore, if their lynch mob mentality would be a little more different.

Sheesh. All those years doing movies, and Baldwin never learned how to handle a cliff responsibly?

 

[robn1]

All he needed to do was check the chambers of a revolver

Agreed. As the last link in the chain, AB was the last chance for disaster prevention. I would never take anyone's word that a weapon was "cold", not even my own mother's. I would check it myself. And I would have taken time before production began to familiarize myself with the gun to be sure I knew what to look for. It's unconscionable to me that this standard would not be the bare minimum requirement.

 

[cboath]

Well, I would be willing to bet that if this was anyone else, Alec would be condemning people all over the place.

And i'd be willing to bet if were someone else, those being he hardest would be much more understanding.

It was a location that had been used as set for several other Western movies before.

NM has been used for TV and film for a very long time now. As I heard it, tax breaks...

 

[JPH]

And i'd be willing to bet if were someone else, those being he hardest would be much more understanding.

NM has been used for TV and film for a very long time now. As I heard it, tax breaks...

Actually, quite the reverse.

We would just like to see Baldwin treated the *SAME* as everyone else.

If you or I murdered someone, we'd be in the poh-poh. Our mugshots would be for all to see.

Its a great trick though, claim everyone who holds Baldwin to an EQUAL standard as ourselves is being vindictive or political since we dont excuse him getting away with murder.

 

[TazMan2000]

Once again, I would like to mention how proud I am to be a member here and have all these different points of view that people can discuss in a rational and mature fashion. BTW, for someone to be charged with murder, you have to prove premeditation.

OK...the AB haters have convinced me to join their side. Let's forgo the police investigation and rely solely from what self-serving reporters have to say, after all, why bother to use the justice system with them being so busy lately. This is a court of public opinion, and just because we don't know all the facts, it doesn't mean that we can't deal out our own form of justice.

Let's all meet at my place and organize a mob. Attendees are responsible to bring their own transportation, booze, pitchfork and torch...etc. Hot chocolate will be provided on a first come, first serve basis.

TazMan2000

 

[JPH]

Sheesh. All those years doing movies, and Baldwin never learned how to handle a cliff responsibly?

He's an actor, not a physicist! He doesn't understand terminal velocity, the acceleration caused by gravity, energy wells or coefficients of restitution!!!

He can push people off cliffs ALL DAY LONG. And besides, he had a Cliffmaster on the set. That excuses anything he does, even if he goes against everything he was ever taught *NOT TO DO*.

 

[JediMichael]

I'm just here for the hot chocolate.....but a torch would be cool. I like fire.

 

[cboath]

Actually, quite the reverse.

We would just like to see Baldwin treated the *SAME* as everyone else.

If you or I murdered someone, we'd be in the poh-poh. Our mugshots would be for all to see.

Its a great trick though, claim everyone who holds Baldwin to an EQUAL standard as ourselves is being vindictive or political since we dont excuse him getting away with murder.

Maybe some would but not all. You or i would not treated differently in the exact same situation. The difference being us being 2 complete unkown actors. Even in a student film.

This is not 2 people had an argument or fight and 1 wound up shot. Filming accident is filming accident. In the shop at works if someone gets caught in a machine and dies theyre not looking to arrest anyone. Its never assumed someone pushed the other in. Why would this be different?

People hete are assuming these actors were put through extensive gun training. No one knows that is the case. No one knows these actors were told to check what people here are saying is gun safety stuff. Way too many unknowns to cast blame. Hell maybe he was practicing quick draw facing away and lost control and it goes off? Not saying it is the case at all but know one knows its not either. There is plenty coming out indicating other issues here that put more blame on others but the worst is being saved for just him. Thats a problem frankly.

Ill be the first to throw the book at him if it was intentional. Dont see that being the case though.

 

[JoeG]

Its not like this has never happened before. People have already brought up the Brandon Lee accident. I don't remember the actor that shot him getting arrested for it. I don't think anyone was. There was just a civil suit and a settlement.

 

[JPH]

Maybe some would but not all. You or i would not treated differently in the exact same situation. The difference being us being 2 complete unkown actors. Even in a student film.

This is not 2 people had an argument or fight and 1 wound up shot. Filming accident is filming accident. In the shop at works if someone gets caught in a machine and dies theyre not looking to arrest anyone. Its never assumed someone pushed the other in. Why would this be different?

People hete are assuming these actors were put through extensive gun training. No one knows that is the case. No one knows these actors were told to check what people here are saying is gun safety stuff. Way too many unknowns to cast blame. Hell maybe he was practicing quick draw facing away and lost control and it goes off? Not saying it is the case at all but know one knows its not either. There is plenty coming out indicating other issues here that put more blame on others but the worst is being saved for just him. Thats a problem frankly.

Ill be the first to throw the book at him if it was intentional. Dont see that being the case though.

So, you dont know the first thing about gun safety, or didnt pay attention in class.

I know you think you are being objective, but seriously, take a gun class. He was responsible.

Either way, you are excusing a murder.

I realize, the excusers clearly dont know the victim, but she was a living human as well. If Baldwin were to shoot someone you cared about, I hope you wouldnt be so starstruck

 

[Axlotl]

It's not about being starstruck.
An actor's job is acting.
It's the armoror/propmaster's job to make sure guns are safe and no one gets killed.
Why is this so hard for some of you to understand?
This wasn't murder, it was an accident.
If anyone is to blame it's the propmaster.
I'd say the same thing if it was Adam Sandler who accidentally shot someone.
I'd say the same thing if it was Keanu Reeves, who has extensive gun training and knows how to clear a gun.

 

[Birdie]

Willing to bet that if it had been Adam Balwin who pulled the trigger rather than Alec, there would be a lot fewer here wanting his head on a plate....

 

[DarthWilder]

It's not about being starstruck.
An actor's job is acting.
It's the armoror/propmaster's job to make sure guns are safe and no one gets killed.
Why is this so hard for some of you to understand?

Because some of us know and live by the fundamental rules of gun safety. Hell, when my child was five-years old, he could recite them and also put those rules into practice! The final responsibility is always on the person who pulls the trigger. Even if I were an actor, I would verify that any weapon handed to me was safe before pointing it at another human being on set. It's not hard to follow fundamental safety rules.

And if it were Keannu, Harrison Ford, or Kurt Russell, I would feel the same way.

 

[harrisonp]

Can anyone here actually in the film industry specifically confirm that anything in the video above is codified standard procedure? If not and it’s left up to the armorer or whomever expert is on set to determine how things are handled then the point is moot.

 

[DarthWilder]

Can anyone here actually in the film industry specifically confirm that anything in the video above is codified standard procedure? If not and it’s left up to the armorer or whomever expert is on set to determine how things are handled then the point is moot.

The video is also supported by this previously posted article...

Alec Baldwin ignored the No. 1 rule of gun safety: Hollywood weapons expert

Alec Baldwin failed to follow the No. 1 rule of gun safety before the fatal shooting on the set of “Rust,” a Hollywood weapons expert tells The Post.

nypost.com

 

[JPH]

It's not about being starstruck.
An actor's job is acting.
It's the armoror/propmaster's job to make sure guns are safe and no one gets killed.
Why is this so hard for some of you to understand?
This wasn't murder, it was an accident.
If anyone is to blame it's the propmaster.
I'd say the same thing if it was Adam Sandler who accidentally shot someone.
I'd say the same thing if it was Keanu Reeves, who has extensive gun training and knows how to clear a gun.

If an actor uses a gun, they still have to follow basic, fundamental rules for proper usage. In fact, they are held to a HIGHER STANDARD to the point that they HAVE to HIRE A Weaponsmaster.

Actors spend days if not WEEKS rehearsing fight scenes, but you think gun use suddenly makes all safety fly out the window???

That is the ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE OF REALITY. Guns add a new, higher TIER of Responsibility

So YES, WHOLEHEARTEDLY, COMPLETELY, UNDENIABLY STARSTRUCK!


Seriously!!?!

***I can see it now***

You think actors just show up on a set, completely unprepared, and are just like, "Okay, so...what do I do today?"

Director, "oh, you shoot someone."

Actor, " Oh, that sounds cool, but I've never used a gun before."

Weaponsmaster ***all rushed***, "Well, here's a gun, just hold it like this, Point it like this and pull the trigger."

Actor, "ohhh wow! Cool!" waves the gun around, people are ducking, avoiding the aim of the barrel.

Director, "Action!"

BAM!!!!

***ACTOR's Target Drops dead, blood sprays on everyone nearby***

Actor,"hey, was that supposed to happen?"

***DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IS HOW IT WORKS!?!?!?!?!?!?***

SERIOUSLY!?!?!?!

You are excusing MURDER because he's an ACTOR!

PURE LINEAR INSANITY.