The Mandalorian (TV series)

I need to be clear here, because, like Palpatine, I can feel the anger & hate growing in others as I begin to type this...

THIS IS A QUESTION ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE OK WITH THE STORY POINTS FROM REBELS


... Ok?

How would you guys feel if it turns out Ahsoka, Ezra, or another established character was the one who saved Grogu from the Purge, using the World Between Worlds?

I had the thought this morning, since we know that before Ezra pulled her out of Malachor during her duel with Vader, she realized that he was truly Anakin. She then goes back into the WBW for some unknown reason. If she went back to view Anakin during Order 66, much like how Obi Wan just HAD to see the security footage, just to see for herself if it was true, then she could've pulled Grogu out just as well.

Then why doesn't she remember?

Could be that whoever fiddled with Grogu's memory, also messed with hers to keep him a secret.

Why is he such a big deal?

Because he's 50, from a species that can live for centuries. We could be seeing the beginning of future SW films, series, books, games, etc, that span maybe a millennia with this character & still maintain a link to the past.

Just musing to myself. Carry on.
 
Usagi Pilgrim said:
I need to be clear here, because, like Palpatine, I can feel the anger & hate growing in others as I begin to type this...

THIS IS A QUESTION ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE OK WITH THE STORY POINTS FROM REBELS


... Ok?

How would you guys feel if it turns out Ahsoka, Ezra, or another established character was the one who saved Grogu from the Purge, using the World Between Worlds?

I had the thought this morning, since we know that before Ezra pulled her out of Malachor during her duel with Vader, she realized that he was truly Anakin. She then goes back into the WBW for some unknown reason. If she went back to view Anakin during Order 66, much like how Obi Wan just HAD to see the security footage, just to see for herself if it was true, then she could've pulled Grogu out just as well.

Then why doesn't she remember?

Could be that whoever fiddled with Grogu's memory, also messed with hers to keep him a secret.

Why is he such a big deal?

Because he's 50, from a species that can live for centuries. We could be seeing the beginning of future SW films, series, books, games, etc, that span maybe a millennia with this character & still maintain a link to the past.

Just musing to myself. Carry on.
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I always took it that Ahsoka went back through her portal and walked out of the temple on Malachor, a few years in the past but with the knowledge of what was to come. That’s why she didn’t do anything during the remainder of the Civil War, her presence would have affected history and potentially altered the outcome.

I think it’s more likely that we’ll see a flashback to someone like Jocasta Nu getting Grogu out during Order 66. Or at least having it referenced.

The WBW is a touchy subject and I think the fact you had to temper your post is a perfect example why. Time travel breaks everything and I think Favreau and Filoni are wise enough to steer clear.
 
I think the series lost lots of the gunslinger/western atmosphere that was so cool in the first episodes of the first season.
Its not bad...but the second season was a lot weaker so far in my eyes.
 
Usagi Pilgrim said:
I need to be clear here, because, like Palpatine, I can feel the anger & hate growing in others as I begin to type this...

THIS IS A QUESTION ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE OK WITH THE STORY POINTS FROM REBELS


... Ok?

How would you guys feel if it turns out Ahsoka, Ezra, or another established character was the one who saved Grogu from the Purge, using the World Between Worlds?

I had the thought this morning, since we know that before Ezra pulled her out of Malachor during her duel with Vader, she realized that he was truly Anakin. She then goes back into the WBW for some unknown reason. If she went back to view Anakin during Order 66, much like how Obi Wan just HAD to see the security footage, just to see for herself if it was true, then she could've pulled Grogu out just as well.

Then why doesn't she remember?

Could be that whoever fiddled with Grogu's memory, also messed with hers to keep him a secret.

Why is he such a big deal?

Because he's 50, from a species that can live for centuries. We could be seeing the beginning of future SW films, series, books, games, etc, that span maybe a millennia with this character & still maintain a link to the past.

Just musing to myself. Carry on.
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It's possible! At this point in time I believe only Ahsoka, Ezra, Yoda and Qui Gon know about the multi-verse portals. (Thus far. Other than the force spirits themselves.)

She could have clouded Grogu's mind to forget her, and when she said "someone", she really meant herself and was merely lying? I don't see why she would need to lie about it anymore, unless she was trying to protect something.

Though I thought she was going back through the portals to find Thrawn?

Ezra seems like he might have a strong connection to fiddling with timeline events, much like Marty and Doc...could this be a paradox thing? Ezra reaches out to Grogu on the seeing stone and sees he must go back in time to save Grogu...??

*blows my own mind*


Anyway...They have to be baiting some big reveal as to who took him, why all the mystery then?
 
Ok... IDK why my mind is wandering today, but I think I've figured out a way for EVERYONE to be happy.

Lol

If they're bringing in Thrawn, but just tweaking him from the LEGENDS books, then let's remember what was a huge part of the Heir to the Empire books... Luke Skywalker's clone, Luuke.

Thrawn is trying to achieve Force abilities for the clone of Luke that he's trying to create. He succeeded, & that's who we saw die in TLJ, LUUKE.

The real Luke discovered the World Between Worlds in his travels, went back to Order 66, saved Grogu, wiped his memory, then went into seclusion until the child reaches out to him.

We now have an appropriately aged Mark Hamill in the current Mandalorian timeline, portraying the REAL Luke, that didn't just hide while the galaxy fell apart. He just wasn't there.

That would maybe make the WBW more palatable to those that don't agree with it.

:unsure: :lol::lol:
 
If Luke had access to the WBW, wouldnt he just go back and kill Palpatine? Not save some random child?

Though I do like the idea that the Luke in TLJ was a clone instead...

Still, seems a bit wild and beyond the scope of this show, but who knows.
 
Kylash said:
If Luke had access to the WBW, wouldnt he just go back and kill Palpatine? Not save some random child?

Though I do like the idea that the Luke in TLJ was a clone instead...

Still, seems a bit wild and beyond the scope of this show, but who knows.
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Because killing him would be giving in to the Dark Side.

Plus, he thinks he died in ROTJ.
 
Time travel? Yeah that definitely makes me glad I've skipped CW and Rebels then. The continuity in SW is already a mess. Time travel would only further complicate the matter.
 
Psab keel said:
Time travel? Yeah that definitely makes me glad I've skipped CW and Rebels then. The continuity in SW is already a mess. Time travel would only further complicate the matter.
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It’s weird but it’s also limited. The only instance of its usage was brief and clean, with a strong case made for why it cannot be used again. They were utilizing BTTF rules regarding time meddling so they couldn’t change the past or they would destroy themselves.
 
Usagi Pilgrim said:
I need to be clear here, because, like Palpatine, I can feel the anger & hate growing in others as I begin to type this...

THIS IS A QUESTION ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE OK WITH THE STORY POINTS FROM REBELS


... Ok?

How would you guys feel if it turns out Ahsoka, Ezra, or another established character was the one who saved Grogu from the Purge, using the World Between Worlds?

I had the thought this morning, since we know that before Ezra pulled her out of Malachor during her duel with Vader, she realized that he was truly Anakin. She then goes back into the WBW for some unknown reason. If she went back to view Anakin during Order 66, much like how Obi Wan just HAD to see the security footage, just to see for herself if it was true, then she could've pulled Grogu out just as well.

Then why doesn't she remember?

Could be that whoever fiddled with Grogu's memory, also messed with hers to keep him a secret.

Why is he such a big deal?

Because he's 50, from a species that can live for centuries. We could be seeing the beginning of future SW films, series, books, games, etc, that span maybe a millennia with this character & still maintain a link to the past.

Just musing to myself. Carry on.
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For some basic comparative math here....Grogu at 50 is a toddler. Yoda died ostensibly of old age at 900. 50/900 is 1/18....in human years that's 18 years old....I guess you can spin it as difference species evolve through their lifespan differently, but, if it took a human that long to age past being a toddler, you'd be nearly 20 by the time you could speak or walk on your own.
 
Psab keel said:
Time travel? Yeah that definitely makes me glad I've skipped CW and Rebels then. The continuity in SW is already a mess. Time travel would only further complicate the matter.
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The only time travel - so to speak - shown in rebels was Ezra pulling her out of the confrontation with Vader. Nothing was show of her past the moment until then. So, we didn't really see anything time travel, per se. We never knew how the fight ended so nothing technically changes for the viewer. It's just shown that it is possible.
 
cboath said:
For some basic comparative math here....Grogu at 50 is a toddler. Yoda died ostensibly of old age at 900. 50/900 is 1/18....in human years that's 18 years old....I guess you can spin it as difference species evolve through their lifespan differently, but, if it took a human that long to age past being a toddler, you'd be nearly 20 by the time you could speak or walk on your own.
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Ahsoka mentions a dark period of his memory where he doesnt remember anything. What if he was frozen or put in some kind of stasis, and that accounts for him being still so small and underdeveloped, yet 50 years old?
 
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cboath said:
The only time travel - so to speak - shown in rebels was Ezra pulling her out of the confrontation with Vader. Nothing was show of her past the moment until then. So, we didn't really see anything time travel, per se. We never knew how the fight ended so nothing technically changes for the viewer. It's just shown that it is possible.
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Well described. I didn’t really interpret it as time travel (in the Back to The Future sense), but more as a dimensional bridge thru the Force.

Although I enjoyed that in the Rebels cartoon, it’s not something I want to see as a plot device in Live action.
 
harrisonp said:
Mando’s cult being intentionally ignorant of the Jedi MIGHT let them off the hook a tiny bit, but all of the points in this are well made and it’s something that has annoyed me for a long time. I also personally don’t think it undermines the severity of Order 66 to have a couple surviving Jedi (Ahsoka,Kanan, Quinlan Vos, Cal Kestis) but I know it bothers some people and Disney LFL seems set on making Luke soooooo unique just because his is the story we’re most familiar with.
It’s the same issue as the reverence JJ gave to Luke’s saber, it was just a tool and he lost it, it doesn’t need to be Excalibur in these new movies
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I think in the SW thread, there's a thing from a new book where Lucas laid out what his sequel story would be. I believe he said 50-100 Jedi survived Order 66. That doesn't mean the survived into the time of the OT though. That might just mean they survived the initial execution of the Order. I think it would be unrealistic if they managed to kill them all in one day, which we know from Obi-Wan and Yoda wasn't the fact. Well also that Vader was supposedly tracking them down. The worst damage to the canon Jedi was what happened with Luke in the Sequels IMO.
 
Kroenen77 said:
I think the series lost lots of the gunslinger/western atmosphere that was so cool in the first episodes of the first season.
Its not bad...but the second season was a lot weaker so far in my eyes.
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I’ll also argue that mismatched Mando is better than Shiny Mando. Season 2 is definitely taking less of a western approach (episode 1 notwithstanding) for a more action oriented sci-fi angle.
 
I’m just going to say it…every name drop/cameo/“Easter egg” that this season has done so far…it’s the same as Benedict Cumberpatch saying “My name…is Kahn,” in Star Trek: Into Darkness.
 
Which is the very reason why Ahsoka's appearance felt distracting to me. Sure it made sense in context to the episode but was it necessary for it to be her because it just felt like I was watching a live action Clone Wars or Rebels episode? I know some fans are loving that but I for one don't. Filoni had two entire shows to tell her story. Let's move on to something else and stop with the callbacks. I've seen Star Wars before, I don't need the constant reminder that I'm watching it.
 
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