The Mandalorian (TV series)
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harrisonp
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Mando’s cult being intentionally ignorant of the Jedi MIGHT let them off the hook a tiny bit, but all of the points in this are well made and it’s something that has annoyed me for a long time. I also personally don’t think it undermines the severity of Order 66 to have a couple surviving Jedi (Ahsoka,Kanan, Quinlan Vos, Cal Kestis) but I know it bothers some people and Disney LFL seems set on making Luke soooooo unique just because his is the story we’re most familiar with.
It’s the same issue as the reverence JJ gave to Luke’s saber, it was just a tool and he lost it, it doesn’t need to be Excalibur in these new movies
It’s the same issue as the reverence JJ gave to Luke’s saber, it was just a tool and he lost it, it doesn’t need to be Excalibur in these new movies
It makes sense that the Jedi are "all but extinct" by this point in the story but it doesn't make sense that so many of the characters since the acquisition by Disney have no sense of the history of their own universe by having no knowledge whatsoever of the Force or the Jedi. I think that's their way of trying to make the Force and the Jedi mystical by adding mystery. Which doesn't work.
Potroclo
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I remember a time, before the sequels, before the acquisition by Disney, even before the prequels, where everyone, in the Galaxy and in our galaxy, including the one who would become the greatest jedi of all time: Luke Skywalker himself, had no knowledge whatsoever of the Force or the Jedi, and not only nobody seemed to have any grudge with that fact, it was part of what made the story so great.
And guess what, that was exactly 9 years in the timeline before the events the Mandalorian is set in, 9 years during which we didn't exactly hear of any new jedi being trained, except maybe what, a couple instances in a galaxy full of billions of beings. Oh and Order 66, that was 19 years before that.
And yet in the Mandalorian, yes: nobody seem to know exactly what they were, but many people have some notion of a cult of sorcerer knights or even a way to contact one anyway...
This has been brought many times and I really don't know how it still doesn't make sense to some of you. My guess is the prequels jedifest did much to blur the line between real word cultural impact and in-story knowledge of the jedi. How much of the jedi is known at that point in-universe can be debated but it seems you would expect of every kid in the galaxy to be trading empire-issued jedi collector cards or something.
I don't know, compare it to morse telegraphy IRL, the last telegraph was in 2006, that's only 14 years ago. We're all familiar with the concept but try to find somebody who can code morse or owns a working telegraph today, even with the fact we have the internet and we are only 1 planet, both instances not being the case in SW.
And guess what, that was exactly 9 years in the timeline before the events the Mandalorian is set in, 9 years during which we didn't exactly hear of any new jedi being trained, except maybe what, a couple instances in a galaxy full of billions of beings. Oh and Order 66, that was 19 years before that.
And yet in the Mandalorian, yes: nobody seem to know exactly what they were, but many people have some notion of a cult of sorcerer knights or even a way to contact one anyway...
This has been brought many times and I really don't know how it still doesn't make sense to some of you. My guess is the prequels jedifest did much to blur the line between real word cultural impact and in-story knowledge of the jedi. How much of the jedi is known at that point in-universe can be debated but it seems you would expect of every kid in the galaxy to be trading empire-issued jedi collector cards or something.
I don't know, compare it to morse telegraphy IRL, the last telegraph was in 2006, that's only 14 years ago. We're all familiar with the concept but try to find somebody who can code morse or owns a working telegraph today, even with the fact we have the internet and we are only 1 planet, both instances not being the case in SW.
The importance of the saber goes back to Obi-Wan giving it to Luke. They may not have made the same level of Excalibur-esque deal out of it, but the groundwork for its unique significance was laid early on.
CelticRuins
Sr Member
I just got Fallen Order last week on a PS4 deal and now I kinda wanna see Cal at some point...just so this fire song from The Hu can show up:
Robot head makes a strong case for Luke's ignorance on the subject and I happen to agree with him because it's clear that this information is being witheld from Luke intentionally, which is why no one ever questioned it before. While it's not a deal breaker for my enjoyment of the show, it does irk me at times. I just find it an strange approach to try and give the Jedi an air of mystery but comes off more as a distraction than anything else.
It does also call into question what is the general knowledge of galactic wide events for the everyday people in this galaxy vs the main characters? Cobb Vanth watched holo video of the Death Star 2 blowing up and literally right after they saw it the warlords took over. I don't ever recall seeing war correspondence in Return of the Jedi and were those warlords waiting outside until the broadcast was over? How polite of them!
"This is Watto's News Network reporting from the front lines...."
Knowledge of certain events like that seems plausible, and I know as a shorthand visual way of relaying that information to your audience is to show the characters holo footage as though it were news coverage, but it's also kind of a cheap writing tactic. I mean just look at the finale of Spiderman 3 to see exactly what I'm talking about. Cobb could have just relayed the story without having to show it.
Off to the sorting hat, I mean, seeing stone (Palantir anyone????)
It does also call into question what is the general knowledge of galactic wide events for the everyday people in this galaxy vs the main characters? Cobb Vanth watched holo video of the Death Star 2 blowing up and literally right after they saw it the warlords took over. I don't ever recall seeing war correspondence in Return of the Jedi and were those warlords waiting outside until the broadcast was over? How polite of them!
"This is Watto's News Network reporting from the front lines...."
Knowledge of certain events like that seems plausible, and I know as a shorthand visual way of relaying that information to your audience is to show the characters holo footage as though it were news coverage, but it's also kind of a cheap writing tactic. I mean just look at the finale of Spiderman 3 to see exactly what I'm talking about. Cobb could have just relayed the story without having to show it.
Off to the sorting hat, I mean, seeing stone (Palantir anyone????)
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I would absolutely love to see Cal show up at some point. I know from the BTS stuff from Fallen Order, that Cameron Monahan has sword training, so half the work is done already. Lol
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Didn't necessarily mean for him to show up in this show, but I'd like to see him somewhere other than a game sequel.
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Didn't necessarily mean for him to show up in this show, but I'd like to see him somewhere other than a game sequel.
Riceball
Master Member
Given how large and organized the Rebellion was by the end of RotJ, I wouldn't find it too surprising if the Alliance didn't have their own news/propaganda division. By the time of Jedi they'd certainly want to document their successes and secretly broadcast it galaxy wide in order to build up sympathy towards their cause and show their side of their story. Even today, IRL we see rebel groups a fraction the size and organization level of the Rebellion recording their actions and spreading it across the internet; if they can do it, why would it be so hard to believe that the Rebellion could and did?
neophyl
Sr Member
Glad yours turned up, I preordered a couple from Amazon uk and the release date has been pushed back to sometime from Dec 31st to Feb 4th. Which sucks as one of them was slated to be a Christmas present.
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kristen jones
Master Member
This could just be me, but I think the significance of the Graflex "laid out" in ANH was only as deep as it being the catalyst for Luke's call to action...a way to follow in his father's footsteps (though not following them EXACTLY
)I don't think the saber itself held some divine birthright or special connection to the Force... or that Luke could have never attained his place without it... since he became a full Jedi master with one that he built himself.
If you'd like, I'll send you my copy. I'd hate for a Christmas gift to not be given.
Just PM me your address if you'd like & I'll send it ASAP.
Toadmeister
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I recall watching ROTJ in 83 and being completely surprised when the Emperor unleashed Force lightning. Suddenly we were made aware WHY The Emperor was Vader's master and he had the power of the dark side. This really was not apparent or obvious until this moment.
In retrospect, the Empire and SW Galaxy at large did not know the Emperor was a Sith Lord. They only knew at best of Vader's ancient devotion to that religion. The Jedi were long gone and essentially erased (through propaganda and media control) from history.
Media control and propaganda....Sound like anything we are experiencing in modern times?
In retrospect, the Empire and SW Galaxy at large did not know the Emperor was a Sith Lord. They only knew at best of Vader's ancient devotion to that religion. The Jedi were long gone and essentially erased (through propaganda and media control) from history.
Media control and propaganda....Sound like anything we are experiencing in modern times?
No worries. Offer stands if you change your mind.
This could just be me, but I think the significance of the Graflex "laid out" in ANH was only as deep as it being the catalyst for Luke's call to action...a way to follow in his father's footsteps (though not following them EXACTLY
I don't think the saber itself held some divine birthright or special connection to the Force... or that Luke could have never attained his place without it... since he became a full Jedi master with one that he built himself.
I think that you summed it up perfectly. I don't think that Lucas had any super deep meaning behind it, but I do think that it was significant enough to be used as a guilt-trip.
Now that I think about it, Obi-Wan was really good at guilting Luke.
Riceball
Master Member
If any of you are Disney Movie Rewards/Movie Insiders members, one of the rewards being offered right now is a Madalorian poster book. It's mainly meant for kids since they're double sided posters folded into a book, but it might interest some of you regardless if you have kids or not. There's supposed to be 2 books, but I could only find Book 2 listed at the moment.
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