Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
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asalaw
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It pains me to bring this up, but the four lights/five lights thing is boosted directly from the film version of 1984. Except it’s Richard Burton torturing John Hurt. In the book O’Brien does it with his fingers—I guess they thought lights would be more cinematic.
I absolutely LOVE that stuff. Happens all the time in TOS and I much enjoy spotting it. I've learned to try to "read the room" in online discussions, however, because some people react to things like this being pointed out as disrespecting the material or "ruining" the illusion, or other such nonsense.
We did that on Star Trek Continues, such as this shot:
In story, Smith back there is at the next station over from Spock's, which canon-ish plans name as the "Sub Systems Checkout Station". To her left is the "Defense Systems Monitor Station", which is in a part of the bridge that was never built on the STC set. So for this shot they sat her on the other side of the bridge and made sure eyelines, etc., were correct.
Red arrow points to where the camera is pointing in story. Yellow points to where it's pointing on set.
(the set later gained the viewscreen section, long after STC wrapped)
asalaw
Sr Member
Hah! Very well done. STC is the only Trek fan production I’ve seen so far that is even watchable, let alone really good, and some of them are excellent. My favorite was the Mirror, Mirror sequel. I thought it was very impressive. Obviously I haven’t seen every fan production, but so far every one I’ve seen apart from STC has been pretty much unwatchable. Apart from STC, the SW fan films have us beat hands down in terms of quality. I’ve seen some SW fan films that were uncannily good.
NakedMoleRat
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I agree. If CBS hadn’t enacted the ban, we could have gotten more high quality TOS episodes from Continues.
Yes, I love all of the clever tricks used to keep a production running smoothly. Film is about the art of illusion, after all, and, when people are doing their jobs well, you really have to pay attention to catch (and appreciate) those clever little shortcuts.
Also, the fact of the matter is that the pre-CG era is much more engaging in terms of the audience asking, "How did they do that?" Sure, visual effects technology is amazing, these days, but most people will write it all off with "Computers!" as the answer to the question.
I still find Christopher Reeve ripping that practical car door off of Lois Lane's car in the first SUPERMAN movie to be more visceral and engaging than any CG slugfest in the abysmal Hack Snyder movies.
The SNW "Enterprise" can zip along like a fighter jet, and NuPike can have a cabin (be it a real set or a partial set with CG extensions) the size of Texas, but they'll never replicate the thrill of seeing the 11-foot Enterprise model zipping along in a movie-quality, bluescreen matte shot done on a TV budget, or Jerry Finnerman's splashes of color on the corridor walls.
asalaw
Sr Member
Which, in turn, was provoked by that Axanar ***hole poking CBS in the eye with a stick…
My favorite thing about doing it was always destruction. Blowing up cars and such. When we shot Freefall on Vice, there was a trailer that gets shot up and then collapses, and that was amazing. Sadly all my copious photos of that gag are in storage.
Yeah, Strange New Hair loses something by doing everything CGI, but then that’s hard to avoid on a TV budget and schedule. I’ve already noticed a couple of bottle shows, most likely done so they could spend more money on crap like that child-torture episode. Yeah, cuz that was so worthwhile…
asalaw
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I’m watching Stranger Things 4, which is vastly better written than Strange New Hair. There’s a very old rule in screenwriting. It’s been ascribed to various sources over the decades and appeared in many variations, but the formulation has never changed. It goes like this: In the first act, chase your hero up a tree. In the second act, keep throwing rocks at him. In the third act, get him back down.
If SNH actually had a hero instead of a cook and lead bartender, they might have put him in peril by now. ST4 is doing that to Eleven, and in spades. It’s so well done it’s difficult to watch, especially since Millie Bobby Brown is giving an amazing performance, and in some scenes she’s so convincing, and her situation is so agonizing, I can’t watch.
I had no idea if Anson Mount was any kind of an actor before SNH, and I still don’t. Thanks to the bottom-of-the-barrel writing staff snoozing their way through the season and phoning in their stories, I may never find out.
If SNH actually had a hero instead of a cook and lead bartender, they might have put him in peril by now. ST4 is doing that to Eleven, and in spades. It’s so well done it’s difficult to watch, especially since Millie Bobby Brown is giving an amazing performance, and in some scenes she’s so convincing, and her situation is so agonizing, I can’t watch.
I had no idea if Anson Mount was any kind of an actor before SNH, and I still don’t. Thanks to the bottom-of-the-barrel writing staff snoozing their way through the season and phoning in their stories, I may never find out.
Kind of hard to tell when he gets lost in the great chasm that's supposed to be his quarters. I mean, living on something the size of a holodeck is supposed to be for the Picard series, right?
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
The bridge on Rios’ Stargazer was smaller than Pike’s quarters.
This is supposed to be the same ship Kirk takes command of later.
Iskelderon
Sr Member
On TNG Scotty's impressed that even an admiral in his day wouldn't have had quarters the size of those the Ent-D officers have and yet Pike has this apartment that's big enough for its own zip code!
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
I’m guessing with Hemmer gone, we now have room for Scotty.
It makes me wonder if they are going to slowly replace all the crew until they promote Pike off the ship and we have TOS.
asalaw
Sr Member
Even if that happens, whatever they end up with, it won’t be recognizable as TOS.
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
I’ve watched the first half hour before work. Still have the last hour to go, so far, so predictable.
Balance of Terror with Pike instead.
And the Farragut was a Constitution class ship, should have looked just like the Enterprise.
Why not get the guy who played Sarek in Disco to be the Romulan commander? At this point, why not?
Haven’t seen the rest yet, but my prediction is that it’s now Number One in the life support chair, not Pike. We’ll see if I’m right after the rest of the viewing.
Balance of Terror with Pike instead.
And the Farragut was a Constitution class ship, should have looked just like the Enterprise.
Why not get the guy who played Sarek in Disco to be the Romulan commander? At this point, why not?
Haven’t seen the rest yet, but my prediction is that it’s now Number One in the life support chair, not Pike. We’ll see if I’m right after the rest of the viewing.
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
He was worse than James Cawley as Kirk!Was that seriously Jim Kirk, or was that Ace Ventura pretending to be Jim Kirk?
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He's also way to scrawny to be Kirk! He looked there like he ran few bouts with a tapeworm!
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