Cephus
Master Member
Sure, some of it is silly, especially almost 60 years later, because reality moves on. At least it isn't downright stupid, which is what pandering produces.
ST: Strange New Worlds Canceled
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Paul Andrew
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Counterpoint - it's fun and not stupid.
Bloop
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My point has been that, yes, there are silly and dumb things about TOS, TNG, and every iteration of Trek, but the people making Nu-Trek don't seem to understand that those aren't the parts or Star Trek that fans appreciate, and shouldn't be copied. TNG succeeded by improving upon the original concept when they stopped trying to strictly copy TOS (as a lot of season 1 did). Introducing more conflict between crew members (something Rodenberry was opposed to) led to some truly great episodes (Best of Both Worlds, Measure of a Man, Chain of Command). Much of Nu-Trek is based on a lack of understanding what worked and what didn't. I don't want a rehash/retread of old Trek, I want new, interesting stories set in the Star Trek universe. The writers/creators of NuT don't know how to innovate.
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I have always felt that the Unification short was lacking something…
…the profound dignity of including Spock’s first captain in the scene…that is what was missing…
Such poetic beauty…I will cry bitter tears into my pillow, tonight:
…the profound dignity of including Spock’s first captain in the scene…that is what was missing…
Such poetic beauty…I will cry bitter tears into my pillow, tonight:
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This, is truly disturbing
Paul Andrew
Master Member
I feel like we've distilled decades of conversation on Trek and Star Wars into two posts here
Just shut your mind off and absorb the genius spark of prime creativity currently on display for the franchise.
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Cephus
Master Member
Modern Trek? Absolutely true.
Bloop
Sr Member
At least it's an original concept. Oh wait...
If anyone's familiar with Community, this was from "the gasleak year," when NBC thought they could do the show without Dan Harmon. It was a terrible episode. I'm sure there's other examples of shows using puppets too, but this is the one that came to mind for me.
Some things you just can’t unsee
Cephus
Master Member
Buffy could get away with it because what they did, mostly, was in-universe justifiable. For both "Once More With Feeling", and "Hush" if you want the opposite thing, they worked in-universe. Most things in Strange New Hair simply don't. A lot of the later Trek stuff that he mentioned, that wasn't good either. Yet going back to TOS, they could have lighter-tone episodes, but they weren't just jokes. It was all entirely justifiable in-universe.
ScourgiousJinx
Master Member
Community looks like absolute dreck, I didn't even know it existed.
Other than Team America and the Dark Crystal AOR, I had no idea puppets were still a thing. Jim Henson's work in the 70's and 80's was great but this seems like a desperate jump the shark. When there's a reason for puppets awesome, but to just throw them in something completely random for fun is not a good plan. I'm not even sure who they're pandering to with this.
Other than Team America and the Dark Crystal AOR, I had no idea puppets were still a thing. Jim Henson's work in the 70's and 80's was great but this seems like a desperate jump the shark. When there's a reason for puppets awesome, but to just throw them in something completely random for fun is not a good plan. I'm not even sure who they're pandering to with this.
Surprisingly, there appears to be an audience of some type for it.
There is also an audience for the 1,000-lb Sisters…quality need not be a prerequisite to one’s personal fandom, I suppose:
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Bloop
Sr Member
Community is actually great, for the most part. That puppet episode came during their worst season. At the end of season three, creator/writer Dan Harmon (who also co-created and wrote Rick and Morty) was fired as showrunner and all of season four suffered from it. He was rehired for season five, and continued though the end, though the show started losing cast members. They're in the process of making a movie which would reunite the original cast - except for Chevy Chase, who got himself fired for being...well, Chevy Chase.
jts1031
Sr Member
So SNW has done a singing episode, which Buffy did first. And they're going to do a puppet episode apparently, which Angel did first. They're just copying the Whedon-verse. Further proof that there is nothing creative about this show. Everything is derivative.
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