New Elstree Studio documentary with discarded Graflex.
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Thank you jim, I for one didn’t have a copy of it that big! Thank you very much!
When Luke is with obi wan at the jaws BBQ you can see the lever isn’t closed, and even 1 grip missing
When I first saw the Kurtz sabers and recently the roger Christian saber I was immediately sceptical. They just didn’t look right,but when I saw this one the hairs on the back of my neck stood up.i think this is tge real deal,everything about it looks right. Tge bubble strip looks like it’s been in there for 40 years,if this was is a fake this guy did a better job then roger Christian.
Also does anybody know if the folmer with patent ever had that style of red button?i have a New York folmer with that style button but my folmer with patent came with the regular red button.
Also does anybody know if the folmer with patent ever had that style of red button?i have a New York folmer with that style button but my folmer with patent came with the regular red button.
newmagrathea
Sr Member
Holy crap. I've got a feeling about this one. That D-ring is quite different than anything I've seen before, two rivets is what I see. He doesn't trigger the BS alarms, probably because he's not trying to sell it, he's just telling a story.
Exactly! His photos on him all over the props, his dads huge connection... friendship with Harrison ford.. I’m a believer...
I want to know what happened to crush the top of the graflex on both corners
Even if they did rivet the ANH saber twice, I get the feeling they built a few heros possibly with different hardware or something. That wasn't the part that had to be the same on them all, who'd pay attention to the D ring? cough cough
Even if they did rivet the ANH saber twice, I get the feeling they built a few heros possibly with different hardware or something. That wasn't the part that had to be the same on them all, who'd pay attention to the D ring? cough cough
That’s what I’m saying... if we could get more photos maybe we can start connecting the dots
Can you imagine.. this is probably the only remaining graflex from ANH in existence!!
Drew Baker
Sr Member
Thanks, Jim! I appreciate you sharing it with us.
With that scan it's easy to tell myself I see highlights where a pair of rivets would be.
With that scan it's easy to tell myself I see highlights where a pair of rivets would be.
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AnubisGuard
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I agree. Something about it feels real, in a way that the Christian and Kurtz sabers never did.
Hard to say why. Maybe because it's in such terrible condition and there's details like the double rivets that are so far off of "known" "truth" about the prop that it's hard to imagine somebody faking it. Like, if it were inauthentic you'd expect the forger to put more care into matching the details we expect.
Exciting times here.
AnubisGuard
Master Member
I thought so too at first, but I think it's rust. Look at the end-on view: there's not enough thickness under the plastic bubble strip for there to be a card or anything else.
That second highlight looks more to me like an optical illusion created by the both the d-ring and the edge of the bottom tube reflecting light, with empty space in-between them.
And I was under the impression that Roy’s CAD perspective matching pretty definitively confirmed the centered d-ring. There’s also the leading theory of the Graflex case (or similar) d-ring bracket, which would have had a single, central rivet hole, rather than two.
Not to say that this isn’t a production-made piece, but we shouldn’t immediately start scrapping our bottom halves and trying to replicate this new variant. It may well just be that—a variant. There’s some indication that a few heroes were made and used for the production. Maybe the one seen in the publicity photos (and some scenes) used a Graflex case’s d-ring/bracket, and this other variant used a quick-and-dirty handmade bracket with two rivets.
The early Folmer-style button also raises questions. As does the fact that this was simply tossed away as trash, rather than being taken home by a member of the production or returned to Bapty’s. Perhaps this was one of the several Graflexes which Christian found, but served as a prototype, which was then discarded after the actual hero prop(s) was constructed. The toe pic saber has the full-knurled red button, and, based on Roy’s CAD work, a centered d-ring.
Question is—does the onscreen “lever-out” prop have a thin-knurled button and an off-center d-ring? Because, at the very least, there seems to be both “lever-in” and “lever-out” versions of the prop seen onscreen. One prop tweaked between scenes, or two different heroes?
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